FCC and minimum distance requirements for NRF9160 LTE antenna (end-devices etc)

RE: FCC and minimum distance requirements for NRF9160 LTE antenna (end-devices etc)

mathiaso — Thu, 12 Sep 2024 09:14:34 GMT

Thank you, Floyd.

RE: FCC and minimum distance requirements for NRF9160 LTE antenna (end-devices etc)

flau — Wed, 11 Sep 2024 20:01:02 GMT

Private ticket created.

RE: FCC and minimum distance requirements for NRF9160 LTE antenna (end-devices etc)

mathiaso — Wed, 11 Sep 2024 07:30:48 GMT

Hi, Floyd.

Could you please create a new separate ticket for your specific case? If it contains confidential information about your project, please make it a private one.

You can link to this ticket in the new one you create.

Best regards,
Mathias

RE: FCC and minimum distance requirements for NRF9160 LTE antenna (end-devices etc)

flau — Tue, 10 Sep 2024 14:41:36 GMT

Hi Everyone,

We run into a similar situation. We designed a handheld product with the nRF9160. The product will normally transmit a small amount of data once every 20 minutes. But upon user request, it can transmit once every 5 minutes for 3 cycles. After that it will go back to a 20 minutes duty cycle. DEKRA has completed RF exposure tests on the product. Final test reports are available. Test results show that the product is below the maximum permitted power at these duty cycles at less than 20cm. We are exempted from doing a SAR test on the product. However, DEKRA has to submit a C2PC to FCC in order to include the product duty cycle into account for RF exposure conditions so that our product comply with the SAR exemption requirements.

We need permission from Nordic in order to proceed with the C2PC. This is where we stuck right now. Will Nordic allow us to do a C2PC on the FCC ID? We are not in a position to re-certify the nRF9160 with our own FCC ID so that we can do a C2PC. That defeats the whole idea of using a certified module. What can we do now?

Regards,

Floyd

RE: FCC and minimum distance requirements for NRF9160 LTE antenna (end-devices etc)

mathiaso — Wed, 27 Mar 2024 13:49:24 GMT

Hi, Colin.

[quote user="CRD"]As for the modules. Do you have any clarification on the end-devices vs using the NRF9160 and the NRF52840 chips.[/quote]

Do you mean what will be the difference between using the SiP and SoC vs using pre-certified modules?

[quote user="CRD"]The NRF52840 doesn't seem to have an FCC ID? (at least that I can find) So in this case I assume we should use a module that is FCC certified instead of the chip?[/quote]

The device itself can't have an FCC ID. If that's what you want you'll need a pre-certified module, as you say.

We're entering the Easter holidays now, so I won't be able to answer any further questions until next week.

Best regards,
Mathias

RE: FCC and minimum distance requirements for NRF9160 LTE antenna (end-devices etc)

CRD — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 13:09:38 GMT

Hi Mathias,

Thank you for this clarification. I will take this to our testing partner as our device is not a body-worn device (nor carried in a pocket).

As for the modules. Do you have any clarification on the end-devices vs using the NRF9160 and the NRF52840 chips.

The NRF9160 has an FCC ID and we are using it within the manufacturer parameters, so we would need unintentional radiation testing then we can re-use the FCC ID.

The NRF52840 doesn't seem to have an FCC ID? (at least that I can find) So in this case I assume we should use a module that is FCC certified instead of the chip?

RE: FCC and minimum distance requirements for NRF9160 LTE antenna (end-devices etc)

mathiaso — Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:10:38 GMT

Hi again, Colin.

[quote user=""]One big sticking point is this line in the FCC certification for the NRF9160:
"The antenna of this transmitter must provide a separation distance of at least 20 cm from all persons. Installers and end-users must be provided with antenna installation instructions and transmitter operating conditions and instructions for satisfying RF exposure compliance."[/quote]

This means that the device in most cases will be 20 cm or more away from people. In other words, is not a body-worn device (or carried in a pocket, etc.). And that if it is a body-worn device there is additional certification needed.

Best regards,
Mathias

RE: FCC and minimum distance requirements for NRF9160 LTE antenna (end-devices etc)

mathiaso — Thu, 21 Mar 2024 14:51:31 GMT

Hi, Colin.

I'll look into this and get back to you.

Best regards,
Mathias