Measurement Range Extension for PPK2 - Internal Resistance?

RE: Measurement Range Extension for PPK2 - Internal Resistance?

hmolesworth — Sat, 29 Jun 2024 00:50:12 GMT

This might help ..


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RE: Measurement Range Extension for PPK2 - Internal Resistance?

Michael von Rueden — Tue, 18 Jun 2024 17:25:39 GMT

Hi,

Thank you very much for the information and the pointers to your GitHub-Repos. I think we can make it from there.

Cheers,
Michael

RE: Measurement Range Extension for PPK2 - Internal Resistance?

Håkon Alseth — Mon, 17 Jun 2024 12:29:32 GMT

Hi Michael,

My apologies, but we do not provide the details that you are asking for in our software, but the source code of the desktop application will give you insight of the default values/steps: https://github.com/NordicSemiconductor/pc-nrfconnect-ppk/blob/main/src/device/serialDevice.ts#L42

[quote user="Michael von Rueden"]Is there a fundamental reason that this information is not available? Or is it "just" a software thing, in the sense that it might be provided in the future? [/quote]

There's no technical reason why it should be held back, but as mentioned; there are calibration data present on each device that also comes into play here.

Kind regards,

Håkon

RE: Measurement Range Extension for PPK2 - Internal Resistance?

Michael von Rueden — Fri, 14 Jun 2024 14:27:18 GMT

Hi,

Thank you very much for the quick response. Maybe my first question wasn't clear enough :-)

I know that the PPK2 can only handle 0.6 A and adjusts the resistances to the measurement accuracy. We want to connect an adaptive shunt resistor (to be developed) in parallel as a current divider in order to increase the measurement range of the PPK2 to approx. 3 A (while reducing the measurement accuracy, of course) but to operate PPK2 within its specs.

To dimension the shunt resistors of the current divider, we need the values of the internal resistances of the PPK2.

So could you provide the values of the internal shunt resistors for the following measurement ranges?

200 nA–50 µA
50 µA–500 µA
500 µA–5 mA
5 mA–50 mA
50 mA–1000 mA

Regarding my second question: Is there a fundamental reason that this information is not available? Or is it "just" a software thing, in the sense that it might be provided in the future? For example the Joulescope JS220 Energy Analyser, which works kind of similarly, provides this information.

Best regards,
Michael

RE: Measurement Range Extension for PPK2 - Internal Resistance?

Håkon Alseth — Fri, 14 Jun 2024 13:43:55 GMT

Hi,

You should consider to use a multimeter that is rated for up to 3 A for such a task.

If you still plan to use the PPK2 for this purpose, please be aware that you are exceeding the el.spec. of the PPK2.

[quote user=""]we would like to extend the measurement range of the PPK2 beyond 0.6 A in source meter mode, e.g. to measure the power usage of a Raspberry Pi.[/quote]

You are going to starve the RPI, as it needs a PSU that is capable of providing up to 3 A (depending on the model).

In ampere meter mode, the PPK2 can handle up to 1 A, which _might_ work, depending on the RPI model that you're targeting.

[quote user=""]1) What are the internal resistances of the PPK2? I tried to find it in the documentation, without success so far[/quote]

These are trimmed per-device, to match the ranges:

https://docs.nordicsemi.com/bundle/ug_ppk2/page/UG/ppk/ppk_measure_resolution.html

But they do have an accuracy hit as well:

https://docs.nordicsemi.com/bundle/ug_ppk2/page/UG/ppk/ppk_measure_accuracy.html

[quote user=""]2) Is it possible to log the switching of PPK2's measurement resistor value?[/quote]

No, unfortunately not.

Kind regards,

Håkon