NRF52840 RF Wireless Tuning

RE: NRF52840 RF Wireless Tuning

Bendik Heiskel — Tue, 28 Jan 2025 11:29:41 GMT

Hi Adrian,

[quote user="AGeegee"]As mentioned, I reheated the radio side of the board and the NRF52 so ensure it wasn't a solder joint issue. The thing is, when I touch the board with the RSSI dongle, the RSSI does improve to -80dBm, so it definitely is transmitting something which seems to be the correct frequency.[/quote]

Ok ,then we can be sure that the radio is at least functioning.

[quote user="AGeegee"]One thing I did note was that we are not using the "F" rev3 IC, but the "D" Rev2 IC. In addition to that the C54 is not loaded on these boards. But the other boards seem fine without it with the "D" rev2 IC.[/quote]

It shouldn't be a issue in this case, but you will see more noise on the transmitted signal without this capacitor on Rev 2

[quote user="AGeegee"]The problematic board shows the same resistance to ground at different points along the antenna as the other working boards. So far I tested 7 boards, and only 1 of them seems to have an issue with getting a strong output. I guess it might go down as a manufacturing defect, but I can't understand how or what the issue could be.[/quote]

Just measuring the resistance won't realy tell us anything other than how the components behave at DC.

Could you try swapping out the components on the failing board, with either new components or the once on one of the functioning boards?

Best regards,

Bendik

RE: NRF52840 RF Wireless Tuning

AGeegee — Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:20:09 GMT

Hi Bendik,

Thanks for the reply, I was beginning to think older tickets don't get looked at.

Yes, we've received the new boards, and for some reason only 1 of the 7 units I have here don't seem to operate the RADIO.

The other boards have RSSIs close to -30dB when close to the RSSI Dongle. However the one with the issue has -90dBm or there abouts. It is transmitting because it has the same firmware as the other boards and I've reloaded it many times.

As mentioned, I reheated the radio side of the board and the NRF52 so ensure it wasn't a solder joint issue. The thing is, when I touch the board with the RSSI dongle, the RSSI does improve to -80dBm, so it definitely is transmitting something which seems to be the correct frequency.

With this board as well, the HF clock should have started as we're able to bring the board up and there is usually a check to ensure the HFXO is started before continuing. The RF frequency also matches that of the RSSI dongle.

One thing I did note was that we are not using the "F" rev3 IC, but the "D" Rev2 IC. In addition to that the C54 is not loaded on these boards. But the other boards seem fine without it with the "D" rev2 IC.

Many thanks,

Adrian

RE: NRF52840 RF Wireless Tuning

Bendik Heiskel — Mon, 27 Jan 2025 13:14:28 GMT

Hi Adrian,

Apologies for the delay.

The GND pour looks good, it is not too close to the antenna so it shouldn't affect it.

Depending on the RF noise in your surrounding, -90dBm could be very close to the noise floor.

Do you have any other way of verifying that the board is transmitting anything?

It could be a issue with the 32MHz crystal not starting.

Best regards,

Bendik

RE: NRF52840 RF Wireless Tuning

AGeegee — Tue, 21 Jan 2025 03:12:27 GMT

Hi Bendik,

I have an antenna design like this, but I'm getting a very poor signal, what could this be due to? I wonder if it is due to the GND Pour that surrounds the Antenna. Any suggestions?

Strangely enough, only a few of these boards exhibit the poor signal strength.

When uploading some DTM software to it and testing it against the RSSI viewer, the problematic boards have a -90dBm signal at around 1mm distance.

While a different board from the same batch will show -32dBm at 1mm and ~ -52dBm at a few metres, which seems decent.

The problematic board shows the same resistance to ground at different points along the antenna as the other working boards. So far I tested 7 boards, and only 1 of them seems to have an issue with getting a strong output. I guess it might go down as a manufacturing defect, but I can't understand how or what the issue could be.

I tried reflowing the filter components and the BGA area by the radio but it did not improve the results. All the boards look similar and there doesn't seem to be any obvious defects.

Regards,

Adrian

RE: NRF52840 RF Wireless Tuning

Bendik Heiskel — Thu, 31 Oct 2024 14:16:51 GMT

Hi,

This could indicate that the radio matching network needs to be tuned as well.

Do you have access to a spectrum analyzer to measure the output power from the SoC?

When tuning the radio matching network its best to use a spectrum analyzer to tune for maximum output power on the fundamental frequency and low harmonic distortion, rather than using a VNA and impedance.

You could send us some samples of the board to check the radio performance, and tune the matching network, if you don't have the equipment needed. If this is something you would like us to do, please open a private ticket and share your schematic and PCB layout files.

Best regards,

Bendik

RE: NRF52840 RF Wireless Tuning

AGeegee — Tue, 29 Oct 2024 04:31:32 GMT

Hi,

Despite the results looking good, when I use a NRF52 Dongle and load the RSSI meter on, when reading the RSSI from another NRF52 dongle which is operating with the DTM firmware, the RSSI is about -66/-67dBm.

Using the same DTM firmware on my board results in an RSSI of -89dBm at the same distance and frequency.

Any ideas on what I should do here?

Thanks!

RE: NRF52840 RF Wireless Tuning

Bendik Heiskel — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 13:36:12 GMT

Hi,

The tuning process and results looks good. Cutting down the antenna without any matching components mounted will usually lead to a shift in resonance frequency when mounting the components later.

The only thing different I would have done, is to start with a 1pF capacitor mounted to C22, when cutting down the antenna, it may well be that you don't need any more components than just a shunt cap.

Best regards,

Bendik