NRF54l15 best accuracy possible

RE: NRF54l15 best accuracy possible

ignatious-p — Sat, 07 Jun 2025 04:59:11 GMT

Hi SImon,

[quote userid="75734" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/121903/nrf54l15-best-accuracy-possible/538388"]please open a separate DevZone ticket on that with questions you'd like answered by experts[/quote]

That's exactly what I did ~4 days ago. I'm still waiting for a response to my ticket here.

Cheers!

RE: NRF54l15 best accuracy possible

Simonr — Fri, 06 Jun 2025 10:42:04 GMT

Hi Ignatious

If you have specific questions, please open a separate DevZone ticket on that with questions you'd like answered by experts, and we can forward those to the people working closest on it.

Best regards,

Simon

RE: NRF54l15 best accuracy possible

ignatious-p — Fri, 06 Jun 2025 09:49:56 GMT

Hi Simon,

[quote userid="75734" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/121903/nrf54l15-best-accuracy-possible/538379"]Sorry, that number is not from the specification, but rather from Bluetooth's own marketing documents: https://www.bluetooth.com/blog/bluetooth-channel-sounding-how-it-works/ [/quote]

I see, that must've slipped past literature review on my end. Thanks for sharing! It seems that there is no information on the theoretical maximum resolution available, but it should be something that can be calculated. Let me look into it.

[quote userid="75734" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/121903/nrf54l15-best-accuracy-possible/538379"]It will not be as accurate in a noisy indoor environment with lots of line of sight obstructions as it will be outdoors in a line of sight and interference-free environment. We still have not conducted thorough testing to provide any numbers on what the expected range/accuracy exactly will be for different environments I'm afraid.[/quote]

This is expected and that's what I am studying for my masters. Indoor environments including hospitals, warehouses and perhaps even underground environment. Is there any chance I could get in contact with someone from your end to work more closely on this?

RE: NRF54l15 best accuracy possible

Simonr — Fri, 06 Jun 2025 09:24:27 GMT

Sorry, that number is not from the specification, but rather from Bluetooth's own marketing documents: https://www.bluetooth.com/blog/bluetooth-channel-sounding-how-it-works/

It will not be as accurate in a noisy indoor environment with lots of line of sight obstructions as it will be outdoors in a line of sight and interference-free environment. We still have not conducted thorough testing to provide any numbers on what the expected range/accuracy exactly will be for different environments I'm afraid.

Best regards,

Simon

RE: NRF54l15 best accuracy possible

ignatious-p — Fri, 06 Jun 2025 07:30:50 GMT

Hi Simon,

[quote userid="75734" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/121903/nrf54l15-best-accuracy-possible/537856"]Phase based ranging with one antenna, will per specification not be more accurate that 50cm.[/quote]

Could you kindly point me towards the resources where I could find more on the theoretical limitations of BLE Channel Sounding? I am currently referring to the Bluetooth Core Specification v6.0 and also the Ranging Service and Ranging Profile documents.

[quote userid="75734" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/121903/nrf54l15-best-accuracy-possible/537856"]We are constantly working on improving our ranging algorithm and are looking into using multi-antenna solution that will likely improve accuracy[/quote]

Will it be as accurate indoors as it is outdoors?

RE: NRF54l15 best accuracy possible

Triscuit — Tue, 03 Jun 2025 17:57:41 GMT

I am trying to create a trilateration system and it will be outdoors, I am not too sure what range. I already kind of knew it would not be possible, I just wanted some confirmation. Thank you so much for the reply.

RE: NRF54l15 best accuracy possible

Simonr — Tue, 03 Jun 2025 11:40:43 GMT

I don't know if I can do the "expert" tag justice, but I'll try to help to the best of my abilities.

Phase based ranging with one antenna, will per specification not be more accurate that 50cm. We are constantly working on improving our ranging algorithm and are looking into using multi-antenna solution that will likely improve accuracy, but down to 2cm accuracy will not be feasible with channel sounding I'm afraid. That exactly is the use case you're looking at here, and what range and environment will the device be operating in and requiring 2cm accuracy at?

Best regards,

Simon

RE: NRF54l15 best accuracy possible

Susheel Nuguru — Fri, 30 May 2025 11:44:49 GMT

Hi,

The channel sounding expert who could assist you with this thread isn't available today (long weekend for many in Norway) and is most likely back on Monday.
We will get back to you early next week. Thanks for your patience in advance.