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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>FCC/CE RF Certification Fail</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/14502/fcc-ce-rf-certification-fail</link><description>Hi, 
 We are using the Nordic Semi nRF51822-QFAA-T to do BLE project, but when we test CE/FCC RF test(Conducted / Radiated), there has a lot of noise around 2.4G. 
 BTW, I used Nordic Studio DTM to test it. 
 Nordic Studio DTM setting 
 Test result</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 13</generator><lastBuildDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:37:54 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/14502/fcc-ce-rf-certification-fail" /><item><title>RE: FCC/CE RF Certification Fail</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/55358?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:37:54 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:49963b78-65a6-44e4-a2d8-b57feb36e96e</guid><dc:creator>FormerMember</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, what you are seeing now is normal. The &amp;quot;noise&amp;quot; on each side of the carrier is there because of the calibration that occurs before each packet, and it will not affect the modulation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For passing FCC maximum peak level of spurious emission is -21 dBm and the maximum average of the spurious emission is -41 dBm, see &lt;a href="http://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.nordic.infocenter.whitepapers%2Fdita%2Fwhitepapers%2Fpdflinks%2Fnwp_010.html&amp;amp;cp=10_10"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; whitepaper. The average can be measured by setting the spectrum analyzer  in &amp;quot;average&amp;quot; mode.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: FCC/CE RF Certification Fail</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/55357?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2016 05:29:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:2048039f-9f13-4663-89dd-b2cc0fbbc785</guid><dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Kristin&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank for your detail answer, in fact, we haven&amp;#39;t finished RF test yet, so I&amp;#39;m not sure is a problem or not.
But 2.4G signal shouldn&amp;#39;t be so noisy, right?
I&amp;#39;ve changed spectrum setting for widely range and I get this waveform:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://imgur.com/6lh4LH5"&gt;Test result (peak hold) &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is this correct? or can I ignore this issue?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Elliott&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: FCC/CE RF Certification Fail</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/55362?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:41:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:b180af20-cc34-438f-bbe8-5be8f9b75356</guid><dc:creator>FormerMember</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Elliot,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have updated my answer regarding the baluns, please have a look at it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kristin&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: FCC/CE RF Certification Fail</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/55361?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 07:03:23 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:c576af0c-b7f3-4251-9c00-cbf2166467f1</guid><dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Kristin&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I found a new part of match balun, BALF-NRF01D3 ( not BAL-NRF01D3), do you know which part is suitable for nRF51822 ?
There have a lots difference in RF performance, for example, BALF-NRF01D3 Return loss = 17dB, but BAL-NRF01D3 Return loss=10dB.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could I solve this problem by changing match balun?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Elliott&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: FCC/CE RF Certification Fail</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/55360?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:57:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:9b529d23-871e-445e-8d40-ffb098334009</guid><dc:creator>FormerMember</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;The PA is automatically turned on when the radio is transmitting, and off when it is not transmitting anymore. It cannot be controlled by a user.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;During the ramp-up of the PA there will be some transients. However, they will only be there for a very short amount of time, and &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt;  modulation has been turned on. By using &amp;quot;peak hold&amp;quot;, you can see the envelope over time. The spectrum will look a little wider than what it actually is because of the transients. However, since the transients occur before modulation has been turned on, it is ok. Reducing the resolution bandwidth in the spectrum analyzer (if possible) will make the transients less visible.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: FCC/CE RF Certification Fail</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/55359?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:05:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:8a382ccc-1fc2-4465-b3fb-05bf0e54adb5</guid><dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Kristin&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have to test it in RF lab, but the signal waveform would be the same when I turn on the peak hold/Max Hold, right?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How can I control the PA turn on/off?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Elliott&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: FCC/CE RF Certification Fail</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/55356?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 06:49:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:0c6923ca-ad82-4900-9883-754f01cb5964</guid><dc:creator>FormerMember</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;When doing the measurements, could you turn on &amp;quot;peak hold&amp;quot; in the spectrum analyzer? What you are seeing is most likely transient noise from the PA being turned on/off.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Update 17.06.16:&lt;/strong&gt;
The PA is automatically turned on when the radio is transmitting, and off when it is not transmitting anymore. It cannot be controlled by a user.
During the ramp-up of the PA there will be some transients. However, they will only be there for a very short amount of time, and before modulation has been turned on. By using &amp;quot;peak hold&amp;quot;, you can see the envelope over time. The spectrum will look a little wider than what it actually is because of the transients. However, since the transients occur before modulation has been turned on, it is ok. Reducing the resolution bandwidth in the spectrum analyzer (if possible) will make the transients less visible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Baluns and nRF51822&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BAL-NRF01D3 was made for silicon revision 1 of nRF51822, and does not work very well with later revisions  because it doesn&amp;#39;t damp RX LO sufficiently. It is possible that the output power is lower as well.  For the latest versions of nRF51822 QFN there are the following options (see &lt;a href="https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/Bluetooth-low-energy2/nRF51822"&gt;nRF51822 webpage&lt;/a&gt; --&amp;gt; development tools and software):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Johanson Technology 2450BM14E0003&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ST BALF-NRF01E3&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ST BALF-NRF01D3 was the recommended balun for silicon revision 2 of nRF51822. Whether or not it can be used with the latest version of nRF51822 depends on which version of nRF51822 you are going to use. When using silicon revision 3,  BALF-NRF01D3 can only be used with nRF51822 QFN 256 kB flash and 16 kB RAM. With the other versions, it will give lower output power and and smaller margins for passing FCC/ETSI.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Changing balun will most likely not change the transients, they are there due to the PA ramp-up, but they should not affect the FCC certification. Are you facing any problems with FCC certification due to the transients?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note: I would recommend you to change to one of the recommended baluns.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>