Antenna load impedance simulation result is far from 15Ω+j88Ω.

RE: Antenna load impedance simulation result is far from 15Ω+j88Ω.

Tony Yuan — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 11:00:16 GMT

@ketiljo, it's simulation. term3 is perfect 50 ohm. term1 and term2 are used to measure and calculate the differential impedance.

I insist to simulate this circuit is to make sure the circuit provided in the spec is CORRECT.

But based on my current simulation, it maybe WRONG.

I am really happy if there is anyone can help to correct me.

RE: Antenna load impedance simulation result is far from 15Ω+j88Ω.

ketiljo — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 10:49:03 GMT

It's not easy to include all effects of the layout and components. The value 15 +j88 ohm is measured on the differential side of the matching network, chip removed and antenna port terminated with 50 ohm

Not sure what you have to gain on this. It's more to the matching network than just impedance transformation. It also does harmonic filtering and RX LO suppression. This is not possible to simulate so you must measure this in any case. You will need to have a 60 ohm point to do measurements so all the components in the matching network are needed.

RE: Antenna load impedance simulation result is far from 15Ω+j88Ω.

Tony Yuan — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 07:24:11 GMT

The result is similar to ideal component model, still far from 15Ω+j88Ω. Please help to check.

RE: Antenna load impedance simulation result is far from 15Ω+j88Ω.

ketiljo — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 11:44:00 GMT

The estimation still uses ideal components. You need to simulate the complete design included track inductance and capacitance to ground.

We have a simulation model but this contains the RF front end as well so we can't publish this.

RE: Antenna load impedance simulation result is far from 15Ω+j88Ω.

Tony Yuan — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 09:36:34 GMT

Hi Ketiljo,

Thank you for your help. I can add real component (Murata caps and inductors) model and the track and pads into the simulation.

I made a rough estimation

The effect of 1.5mm transmission line does not change the point on the Smith chart too much.

In nordic, do you have a simulation model for this circuit?

-Tony

RE: Antenna load impedance simulation result is far from 15Ω+j88Ω.

ketiljo — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:46:48 GMT

You need to have a much more advanced simulation model if you want to do this accurate enough. The PCB and layout (tracks and pads) are major part of the design. Also the components will behave different at 2.4 GHz than at lower frequencies. You need to use a model for the components, not ideal components.

In any case, you need to go via a 50 ohm point if you want to do any conducted measurements. If you adapt the output of the matching network to match the antenna impedance, you have no place to connect to for conducted measurements and all measurements and fine tuning must be done in an anechoic chamber

RE: Antenna load impedance simulation result is far from 15Ω+j88Ω.

Tony Yuan — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 02:25:26 GMT

Hello Nordic experts, I am looking forward to getting your help.