Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Kenneth — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 10:58:25 GMT

I will check with the team if they provide a picture of the setup they have as a reference.

Best regards,
Kenneth

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Aditya Narayan Tripathi — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 08:13:06 GMT

i have tried separately on nRF52-DK also but getting the normal range.

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Kenneth — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 08:09:56 GMT

Have you tried using nRF52-DK as reference?

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Aditya Narayan Tripathi — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 05:30:51 GMT

Hi Kenneth, i have tested the example code for PA/LNA setup from the directory:

nRF5_SDK_15.0.0_a53641a\examples\proprietary_rf\gzll\gzll_ack_payload\device\pca10040\blank\arm5_no_packs. After setting GZLL_PA_LNA_CONTROL to 1 also as shown below:

//==========================================================
// <e> GZLL_PA_LNA_CONTROL - Turns on external PA/LNA control.
//==========================================================
#ifndef GZLL_PA_LNA_CONTROL
#define GZLL_PA_LNA_CONTROL 1
#endif

it's operating into Normal mode. After enabling the GZLL_PA_LNA_CONTROL range is still near about to 30 meters same as BL652 module. i am not able to achieve the maximum range according to datasheet of BT832X module.

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Kenneth — Thu, 28 Jun 2018 15:44:13 GMT

The test code for PA/LNA setup is available in the gzll_ack_payload/device example (SDKv15). By default, this example operates in normal mode (without PA/LNA module), but you can set the GZLL_PA_LNA_CONTROL define to any non-zero value to use the frontend module. This has been tested with SKY66112.

Best regards,
Kenneth

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Aditya Narayan Tripathi — Wed, 27 Jun 2018 13:38:51 GMT

i have make a hardware setup according to this schematic

https://www.notwired.co/datasheets/notwired/C-nRF52-SKY66112_V1.1%20SCH.pdf.

In both the cases with using BT832X and nRF52+SKY66112, i am not getting a range more than 40 meters. Can you please provide the working solution????????

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Kenneth — Tue, 26 Jun 2018 19:09:57 GMT

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I can check if someone internally have tried your configuration. Maybe you can send a picture of your setup in the meantime so I can see how you have connected the different boards and modules. Both picture of device and host if possible.

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Aditya Narayan Tripathi — Tue, 26 Jun 2018 04:39:55 GMT

Hi Kenneth, i have configured 2x gpiote channels and 4x ppi channels accordingily.

/**< PA/LNA structure configuration. */
static nrf_gzll_pa_lna_cfg_t m_pa_lna_cfg = {
.lna_enabled = GZLL_LNA_ENABLED,
.pa_enabled = GZLL_PA_ENABLED,
.lna_active_high = GZLL_LNA_ACTIVE_HIGH,
.pa_active_high = GZLL_PA_ACTIVE_HIGH,
.lna_gpio_pin = GZLL_PA_LNA_CRX_PIN, //19
.pa_gpio_pin = GZLL_PA_LNA_CTX_PIN, //20
.pa_gpiote_channel = GZLL_PA_LNA_TX_GPIOTE_CHAN,
.lna_gpiote_channel = GZLL_PA_LNA_RX_GPIOTE_CHAN,
.timer = GZLL_PA_LNA_TIMER,
.ppi_channels[0] = GZLL_PA_LNA_PPI_CHAN_1,
.ppi_channels[1] = GZLL_PA_LNA_PPI_CHAN_2,
.ppi_channels[2] = GZLL_PA_LNA_PPI_CHAN_3,
.ppi_channels[3] = GZLL_PA_LNA_PPI_CHAN_4,
.ramp_up_time = GZLL_PA_LNA_RAMP_UP_TIME
};

After making these changes also it's not working. i have tested nRF52832 with seperate SKY66112-11E module available on the following link:
https://www.digikey.in/product-detail/en/skyworks-solutions-inc/SKY66112-11EK1/863-1866-ND/6564756

i have make a hardware setup according to this schematic

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Kenneth — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:59:02 GMT

The Gazell protocol will handle the output for both LNA and PA control (but you must specify 2x gpiote channels and 4x ppi channels that the Gazell protocol can use), if this doesn't work then I can report it. Have you tested transmission and the pins doesn't toggle?

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Aditya Narayan Tripathi — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:20:27 GMT

i have tried with SDKv15 also. i am not getting range more than 40 meters.According to fanstell BT832X the range should be 1300m . i have tested the device and Host code from the locations:
\nRF5_SDK_15.0.0_a53641a\examples\proprietary_rf\gzll\gzll_ack_payload\device
nRF5_SDK_15.0.0_a53641a\examples\proprietary_rf\gzll\gzll_ack_payload\host.
i am using two seperate Fanstel BT832X module, one for device and one for host. According to the datasheet while transmitting the data packet PA pin will set to high and LNA to low and vice-versa for receiving the acknowledgement. In the example code both PA and LNA pins have set to high then Who will toggle these pins in transmission and receiving ??? The Nordic drivers will take care of it or we need to set these pins manually .

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Aditya Narayan Tripathi — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:11:06 GMT

i have tried with SDK15 also. i got the example code from the location :
nRF5_SDK_15.0.0_a53641a\examples\proprietary_rf\gzll\gzll_ack_payload\device.
i am using two seperate Fanstel BT832X module one for device and one as host. After all i, am not getting the range more than 40 meters.
One thing, i wanted to confirm in the datasheet it is give that while configuring for PA the CTX pin will set high and CRX pin should remain low and vice versa for LNA. In the example code both CRX and CTX is set to be high. who will toggle these pins ??? The Nordic PA/LNA Driver will take about it or we need to set these Pin.

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Kenneth — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:00:01 GMT

Gazell in SDKv15 should support PA and LNA control. See nrf_gzll_pa_lna_cfg_t.

Best regards,
Kenneth

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Aditya Narayan Tripathi — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 04:25:16 GMT

Hi Kenneth,
Thanks for your response.

We are currently developing a wireless system based on a nRF52832 (using Laird BL652 modules). Our requirements prevents us from using BLE (way too much latency), thus we used Nordic's Gazell implementation (nRF5 SDK 14.2.0) and it worked quite well for us.

However, we need to increase the range of our system, thus we tried to replace our Laird BL652 modules with a Fanstel BT832X, which features a nRF52832 as well as a Skyworks SKY66112-11 PA/LNA module.

As we couldn't see any PA/LNA support in the Nordic Gazell Link Layer implementation and couldn't add it ourselves due to the lack of source code, we switched to Nordic's ESB implementation, which we could modify to control the CTX and CRX pins with correct timing (inspired from the documentation of the S132 PA/LNA control API), mostly using PPIs and GPIOTE. However, even after several different implementations we couldn't manage to get it working correctly (much poorer range than the module without PA/LNA, and missed packets). In comparison, the same implementation (without activating PA/LNA control) works flawlessly on our BL652 modules.

I could provide further detail on our implementation, but I'd like to first know whether there is any guideline or code example for implementing PA/LNA support with Nordic's proprietary protocols.

RE: Setting the GAZZELL Transmission power to 500 meters using BT832X module

Kenneth — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:45:04 GMT

Hi,

There is a slight difference in modulation between Gazell and BLE, which means that BLE have about 3dB better sensitivity for the same datarate. So likely this is why you are seeing a reduction in range. The range will depend on antenna design (for instance a directional antenna give better range), output power (adding a PA will increase range), and data rate (typically lower data rate give better sensitivity). Range is also influenced by obstacles and interference sources.

Best regards,
Kenneth