Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

ovrebekk — Mon, 27 May 2019 08:04:59 GMT

Hi Johnson

The reason I brought up the end user is that it sounded like a possible usability issue to link the Gazell pairing directly to how long the user presses a button, but if you have already tested this out in the field then it's fine 🙂

Error 0x1001 corresponds to the NRF_ERROR_SDM_INCORRECT_INTERRUPT_CONFIGURATION error, which can occur if you have enabled interrupts in your application that use interrupt priority 0 or 2 (reserved by the SoftDevice), or if you have enabled interrupts that the SoftDevice should have exclusive access to, such as the RADIO or TIMER0 interrupts.

Are you sure that Gazell is properly disabled before you try to start the SoftDevice?

Could you try to manually disable the RADIO and TIMER0 interrupts by calling NVIC_DisableIRQ(RADIO_IRQn) and NVIC_DisableIRQ(TIMER0_IRQn) ?

Best regards
Torbjørn

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

Johnson Hirota — Fri, 24 May 2019 06:05:26 GMT

Hi Torbjørn

I have a application which is base on 51822 with gzll only and the user have to long press the button to pair and release util it complete pairing.

so i think it doesn't matter who the end user is

there is a problem which i am facing

the post upon said that pressing the button to switch between gzll and ble
and i can successfully pairing to gzll but after i release the button to turn of the gzll and start ble.
The application will return a error code 0x1001 which is returned by sd_softdevice_enable in nrf_sdh_enable_request when the first press of the button after i flash the software.
but the 2nd or 3rd ,,,,,,will go fine

so what is the problem of this?

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

ovrebekk — Thu, 23 May 2019 06:33:13 GMT

Hi Johnson

Who is the end user?

I don't know if it is very intuitive to have to keep the button pressed while the Gazell library is in pairing mode, as it might take some time for pairing to complete.

You might want to consider starting a timer once you press the button instead, and keep Gazell enabled until the pairing is completed, or the timer times out.

Then the user just have to press the button briefly, and wait for the pairing to complete (or for the timer to time out).

Best regards
Torbjørn

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

Johnson Hirota — Wed, 22 May 2019 08:05:59 GMT

Hi Torbjørn

I'm still working at this project
and I would like to ask for you opinion

below is what i'm going to do ~

in order to make my device into the gzll pairing mode, I would like to add a button
keep pressing the button and it will disable the softdevice and enable the gzll and get into gzll pairing mode after pairing successfully(i hope so)
release the button and it disable gzll and enable the softdevice and timeslot
and i would like to handle the data from gzll in the timeslot

in your opinion is it ok to implement?

or anything i have to notice?

Thanks

Johnson

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

ovrebekk — Thu, 21 Mar 2019 11:08:06 GMT

Can you try to zip up your project files and upload it here?

Then I can try your project myself and see if I can find the problem.

Best regards
Torbjørn

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

Johnson Hirota — Wed, 20 Mar 2019 06:26:19 GMT

Hi Torbjørn

I have done the ble part of my application - adding nus service into "multiprotocal/ble_app_gzll" and it work fine now

but how do i change it from gazell device to gazell host?

it seems it's not so easy to do it only if i import nrf_gzp.c, nrf_gzp_host.c, and nrf_gzp_host_nrf5x.c to the project, but after import the c files it will shows the error message when i try to download it to the demo board. see this question.

Or in you opinion, how should i do for it of the gazell part?

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

ovrebekk — Tue, 12 Mar 2019 06:50:24 GMT

Hi Johnson

I believe the multiprotocol/ble_app_gzll example would be the best place to start.

Then all the right files will be included, and the main change is to add timeslots and to try running the two protocols semi concurrently.

I will have to do some investigation on my end to see if running a Gazell host in a timeslot is at all possible.

If this can't be done then the only option is to use the ESB stack, and implement Gazell on top of ESB.

Best regards
Torbjørn

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

Johnson Hirota — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 07:08:25 GMT

Hi Torbjørn

OK, seem I have lot of work to do
by the way, which example would you suggest me to do this application?

"multiprotocal/ble_app_gzll" and add timeslot or
"ble_peripheral/ble_app_uart" and ad timeslot and gzll or other example?

Adding gzll to ble_peripheral/ble_app_uart isn't going well to me.

hope you can give me some suggestions.

thanks

Johnson

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

ovrebekk — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 07:41:51 GMT

The application you describe should be easier to run reliably, without much packet loss. If you can run Gazell host and BLE side by side without sending much data, and then switch off one of them when you start to receive packets, you should ensure good RF performance.

In terms of implementation it is not much easier unfortunately. You will still have to implement the Gazell host running on top of the timeslot API from scratch, since we don't have any examples showing you how to do this.

I am also not sure how well suited the current Gazell library is to running through timeslots in host mode, as this has not been properly tested.
Since Gazell is provided as a library only it is not possible to change the low level behavior of Gazell to make it more suitable to use in timeslots.

Best regards
Torbjørn

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

Johnson Hirota — Tue, 05 Mar 2019 03:22:44 GMT

Hi Torbjørn

After few weeks, my requirement has been changed

Gzll Host and BLE will wait for the data from the smartphone/Gzlldevice at the same time
after recieve the data no matter it's from smartphone/Gzlldevice, the other protocal will be disabled
until the data stop sending from smartphone/Gzlldevice, and my device start to wait for the data again

how's this kind of application, is it easier to implement?

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

ovrebekk — Tue, 08 Jan 2019 14:26:06 GMT

Hi Johnson

I will take over this case since I have done more work with Gazell in the past.

I don't really have much more to provide unfortunately.

We don't have any examples showing how to do concurrent Gazell host and BLE. As Hung mentioned it is quite easy to do one or the other and switch back and forth, but running both at the same time is much more complicated.

The Gazell host needs to switch the RF channel at a constant rate, set by the Gazell RX period, and this has to happen independently of any BLE activity. The Gazell device can operate much more asynchronously, and as such it is easier to implement inside the timeslot API.

Best regards
Torbjørn

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

Johnson Hirota — Wed, 02 Jan 2019 08:55:17 GMT

Hi Hung Bui,

The result which you mentioned is not so good for my application.

I will consider about what you had suggested.

Also, I can wait for the expert if there is any solution that he can provide.

Thanks for your reply

Johnson

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

Hung Bui — Wed, 02 Jan 2019 08:36:43 GMT

Hi Johnson,

As mentioned, when using Gazel Host at the same time with BLE, you may run into issue that Gazel host need to restart every time it gets the timeslot from the softdevice and this may result in packet loss and longer sync time.
Is gazel obligated , can you use something else, such as Enhanced Shock Burst ?

Our Gazel expert is still on vacation, i will double check with him if there is any solution when he is back next week.

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

Johnson Hirota — Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:19:32 GMT

Hi Hung Bui,

I need both protocol concurrently, which connected to the smartphone and gazel device at the same time.

Following is what I'd like to do:

first of all, i'd like to wait for the signal from smartphone and gazel devices without disconnect to each of them, and then

1.when there is some signal from smartphone do the thing what smartphone ask to do,

2.when there is some signal from the gazel device to the thing what the device ask to do,

is that possible to implement without disconnection?

Thanks,

Johnson

RE: Is it possible to run gazelle Host and BLE concurrently?

Hung Bui — Fri, 28 Dec 2018 06:38:30 GMT

Hi Johnson,

Do you need to have both protocol concurrently ? Or it's ok to disconnect and switch between them ?

It's easier if you have gazel device + BLE concurrently than to have Gazel host + BLE. The reason is that the host has more timing requirement than the device. The way we have now with the concurrent BLE Gazel example is that we reinitialize Gazel device whenever we have a timeslot from the softdevice. This is OK for Gazel device but not the best for Gazel host as it will make all Gazell devices connected to it to be unsync (for example with the channel hopping).

In short, it's possible to have Gazel host + BLE concurrently but it will affect the Gazel performance significantly if the BLE activity is more frequent.