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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>nrf52832 meander antenna</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/47357/nrf52832-meander-antenna</link><description>Hi there, 
 I am trying to design a printed meander antenna for the nrf52832. For this purpose I copied the antenna trace from the usb dongle that Nordic Semi produces. However I am still very uncertain about a lot of design parameters. So I was wondering</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 13</generator><lastBuildDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 06:32:36 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/47357/nrf52832-meander-antenna" /><item><title>RE: nrf52832 meander antenna</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/187768?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 06:32:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:ffcc6c33-1408-4002-863f-4bf81aac6dbe</guid><dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;2mm width might seem quite wide, yes, but the impedance also depends on the gap between the line and the ground pour in the same layer. At ~0.5mm gap you should see about 50 ohms:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/support-attachments/beef5d1b77644c448dabff31668f3a47-996ba31a08f443758a6509e29be77dc9/pastedimage1558333081059v1.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;The dimensions we use in our development kit as a comparison:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/support-attachments/beef5d1b77644c448dabff31668f3a47-996ba31a08f443758a6509e29be77dc9/pastedimage1558333118991v2.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The nRF52840 dongle is based on the dimensions in this attachment:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/cfs-file/__key/support-attachments/beef5d1b77644c448dabff31668f3a47-996ba31a08f443758a6509e29be77dc9/nRF24LU1-USB-Dongle-Antenna-dimensions.pdf"&gt;devzone.nordicsemi.com/.../nRF24LU1-USB-Dongle-Antenna-dimensions.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You seem to be correct that the nRF52840 dongle is slightly shorter in the last &amp;#39;bend&amp;#39;, not exactly sure why this is, but the dongle antenna has been tested, verified and tuned as is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The sparkfun board uses an inverted F variant, which in theory is 50 ohm due to the short stub. Commonly this is not the case but they might have been lucky. I also do not know what considerations they have made: they might have consider it good enough to not justify the cost of extra tuning. 2m range should be piece of cake though.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Best regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Andreas&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nrf52832 meander antenna</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/187738?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2019 07:00:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:0192f76e-c118-4992-9001-f13d0cf1efae</guid><dc:creator>Moritz</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Well. For one, if I calculate the width of a 50Ohm transmission (eps=4.3, d_pcb=1.6mm) with a coplanar waveguide tool I get a result in the vicinity of 2mm which seems very large. None of the examples seem to have transmission lines that wide. So are those really 50Ohm or what&amp;#39;s going on here?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another thing that bothers me are the exact dimensions of the antenna on the USB dongle. Measuring them as well as I could from the CAD files I found that some of the distances decrease slightly with every turn, which seems odd to me. Especially so, because none of the meander antennas out there that I found do that. I would be much more comfortable taking those measurements from a proper technical drawing rather than measuring them from KiCad files that I converted from Altium files.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since my range requirements are pretty minimal (~2m) I feel I might be able to get away with minimal tuning effort if I had the design right. Some 3rd party products like the Sparkfun breakout board (&lt;a href="https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13990"&gt;https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13990&lt;/a&gt;) don&amp;#39;t seem to even bother tuning their antenna at all and still achieve basic RF performance. (Btw their transmission line isn&amp;#39;t 2mm wide neither.)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moritz&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nrf52832 meander antenna</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/187420?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2019 07:34:45 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:9aba269f-42b7-4d71-9a25-37ccc9b79c04</guid><dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plenty designs exist with PCB antennas, some of our reference designs as examples:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nordicsemi.com/Software-and-Tools/Development-Kits/nRF52-DK/Download#infotabs"&gt;nRF52 DK&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nordicsemi.com/Software-and-Tools/Development-Kits/nRF52840-Dongle/Download#infotabs"&gt;nRF52840 Dongle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nordicsemi.com/Software-and-Tools/Reference-Designs/nRFready-Smart-Remote-3-for-nRF52-Series/Download#infotabs"&gt;nRF52 Smart Remote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;None of these probably illustrate the transmission line very well, for this you migth want to take a look at the &lt;a href="https://www.nordicsemi.com/Software-and-Tools/Development-Kits/Power-Profiler-Kit/Download#infotabs"&gt;power profiler kit&lt;/a&gt;, it has a longer transmission line.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What exactly is it you are wondering about? It might be easier to explain it rather than trying to assume what has been done in a different resign.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Andreas&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>