odd phase transitions in direction finding MagPhase mode

RE: odd phase transitions in direction finding MagPhase mode

Pete W — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 10:02:42 GMT

Hi Bjørn,

Many thanks for forwarding that feedback. It's really helpful.

Regards

Pete

RE: odd phase transitions in direction finding MagPhase mode

bjorn-spockeli — Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:51:03 GMT

Hi Pete,

Here is the feedback from one of the RADIO designers:

This is a consequence of the finite bandwidth of the receiver, mainly due to the anti-aliasing filter and digital channel filter. There is an inverse relationship between the receiver bandwidth and the settling time. Increasing the bandwidth makes the signal more susceptible to interference from adjacent channels. The receiver BW during the CTE is the same as that used for the demodulation of the preceding packet. Therefore, the receiver bandwidth is approx 2x wider when using 2Mbps packets which should give a faster transition. The value of TSAMPLEOFFSET can be used to adjust the sampling points so that the sampling occurs in the steady value.

Best regards

Bjørn

RE: odd phase transitions in direction finding MagPhase mode

bjorn-spockeli — Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:18:39 GMT

Hi Pete,

Will pass this on to the Radio guys. Will let you know once they get back to me.

Best regards

Bjørn

RE: odd phase transitions in direction finding MagPhase mode

Pete W — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:09:09 GMT

Thanks Bjørn. I've noticed that the signal magnitudes I get from my 2 antennas can easily differ by 10dB or more (my test environment is quite cluttered so I probably have lots of multipath), so I'm wondering if what I am seeing on the phase plot is caused by the settling time of receiver AGC, since the settling time I see on the magnitude graph following antenna switch-over is of a similar duration (approx.1.5us). That's impressive but it does explain why we need an allowance for switchover, although maybe 1us is not quite enough.

Regards

Pete

RE: odd phase transitions in direction finding MagPhase mode

bjorn-spockeli — Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:44:40 GMT

Hi Peter,

I have asked the RADIO designers to comment on the behavior you're seeing. I will update this ticket as soon as they get back to me.

Best regards

Bjørn

RE: odd phase transitions in direction finding MagPhase mode

Pete W — Fri, 17 Jan 2020 12:41:58 GMT

Hi Bjørn,

Thanks for the reply but I think my question has been misunderstood. I realise that there is always a shift between the end of the reference period and the first sample in the switching slot, but I'm I'm referring to the shape of the phase that I'm seeing at all switching transitions. My selected RF switch is supposed to have a settling time of around 10ns, so I expect to see clean phase changes at the transitions (as the path lengths to my 2 antennas are different) but I see a very slow, distorted transition, lasting almost 1.5us, which I've circled in yellow in the figure in my original post. I've tried changing the drive to my switch control lines, and reducing decoupling capacitors etc. but nothing improves it. I'm wondering what is causing it. I expect to see something more like this, which Dmitry posted elsewhere:

Regards

Pete

RE: odd phase transitions in direction finding MagPhase mode

bjorn-spockeli — Thu, 16 Jan 2020 13:44:37 GMT

Hi Peter,

As far as I have understood, this is expected. This is a comment that one of the R&D engineers working on the Direction Finding features of our RADIO gave on a similiar case. The customer was using the following setup:

Switching between antenna A1 and A2 beginning with A1 for guard, ref and as first antenna then A2 etc.
2us switching spacing
288 I/Q samples in total starting with I1 and then Q1, I2, Q2 etc
5*8us in total including guard and ref
125ns sampling during ref and normal
Ch 38 ie.e 2426 MHz

The distance between the first sample recorded in the REFERENCE state and the first sample recorded in the SWITCHING state will be the same independently of TSAMPLINGREF and TSAMPLING

The reason for this is that it should be possible to change the sampling rate in the REFERENCE state without affecting the sampling times in the SWITCHING state.

The distance between the last sample in the REFERENCE state and the first sample in the SWITCHING state is dependent on TSWITCHSPACING. It is such that the first SWITCHING sample will be taken in the first SAMPLING slot. So, since the switch spacing is 2us in the customer's case, the first SAMPLING slot will be 1us into the SWITCHING state.

Best regards

Bjørn