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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>GPS field test</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/64240/gps-field-test</link><description>Recently I&amp;#39;ve been doing GPS field test using DK v0.9.0. I&amp;#39;m using chip antenna on the board and SUPL data. 
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 - Quickly fix a position at a park in the open sky - Can&amp;#39;t fix a position on a bus. I put the DK</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 13</generator><lastBuildDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:51:27 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/64240/gps-field-test" /><item><title>RE: GPS field test</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/262016?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:51:27 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:13ed3b32-1916-4e50-af14-347ba0733cde</guid><dc:creator>Martin Lesund</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Correct, the chip antenna that is on the Development Kit is unfortunately not good, so it is highly recommended to use an external GPS antenna to get the expected performance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: GPS field test</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/261939?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2020 10:19:40 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:f80a1d84-e2f4-4975-ace7-788d68310640</guid><dc:creator>Yusuke</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;You mean only the antenna has issue?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shouldnt you use chip antennna?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: GPS field test</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/261920?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:21:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:d3361a4b-d827-4796-b211-c6ead8104e8d</guid><dc:creator>Martin Lesund</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Just the GPS antenna on the DK board.&lt;br /&gt;Please try to test with an external antenna to compare.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: GPS field test</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/261919?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:16:14 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:9dd338a8-517f-4667-84b4-a2d20a46efda</guid><dc:creator>Yusuke</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for reply.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is the poor gps fixing ability caused by nRF9160 chip itself or just the DK board?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also testing a custom board. I did impedance matching properly. It also has poor gps fixing&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: GPS field test</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/261910?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:04:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:c20d3dde-dfe2-428d-bf29-c7e25867013d</guid><dc:creator>Martin Lesund</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Yusuke,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, the performance of the GPS chip antenna on the nrf9160DK v0.9.0 is quite limited which would explain the struggle with getting a fix.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/support-attachments/beef5d1b77644c448dabff31668f3a47-bd916df2275349099f09eae88026de8f/pastedimage1595926675867v3.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is why the latest DKs are shipped with an &lt;a href="https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/index.jsp?topic=%2Fug_nrf91_dk%2FUG%2Fnrf91_DK%2Fkit_hw_content.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"&gt;external MOLEX 206640 GPS antenna&lt;/a&gt;. By using the external GPS antenna you should see great improvements.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/support-attachments/beef5d1b77644c448dabff31668f3a47-bd916df2275349099f09eae88026de8f/pastedimage1595926634139v2.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Note that some windows quite efficiently block GPS signals because they have some sort of metallic film.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(so inside a BUS can actually be a struggle).&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Generally, 4 satellites are required to get a fix. &lt;br /&gt;It also depends on how the minimal 4 satellites are positioned in the sky. If they are close to each other, near the horizon, have weak, lossy signal, more satellites may be required.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There could be some special cases where 3 satellites could be sufficient, but that&amp;#39;s not typical use.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are 4 unknowns in the equation system that needs to be solved (x, y, z position and receiver clock bias), so 4 satellites are generally required.&lt;br /&gt;With the increasing number of satellites, &lt;em&gt;the accuracy usually also increases.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition to having strong enough signals from at least 4 satellites, the receiver needs to know the ephemeris data and accurate timing information for each satellite.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ephemeris can be received using A-GPS &lt;strong&gt;or&lt;/strong&gt; downloaded from the satellites (&lt;em&gt;which may take a while&lt;/em&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Timing information is sent from satellites every 6 seconds if I recall correctly, so with A-GPS and fairly clear sky view the expected TTFF is typically RRC inactivity time + 5 seconds or so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note that A-GPS doesn&amp;#39;t affect the number of satellites required, as it only provides a faster way to acquire ephemeris/other assistance data and not accurate enough timing information to correct the receiver&amp;#39;s clock bias.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As mentioned earlier the satellites&amp;#39; position also plays a part here and affects accuracy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The receiver requires a certain estimated accuracy before calling it a fix. &lt;br /&gt;There&amp;#39;s a new option in t&lt;a href="https://github.com/nrfconnect/sdk-nrf/blob/master/samples/nrf9160/gps/Kconfig#L9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"&gt;he GPS sample that can be used to output NMEA strings:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Using the NMEA strings, it&amp;#39;s possible to read out for example signal strength, satellite position, and lots of other information that can help debug potential issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are tools available to assist with this, like VisualGPS and others.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Best regards,&lt;br /&gt;Martin L.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>