Capacitive Sensing

RE: Capacitive Sensing

Simonr — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:14:06 GMT

Thank you for your thorough report Ian. I have made an internal ticket for our technical writers, and they will review this and update our documentation when they can. The PDF is great, thank you again!

Best regards,

Simon

RE: Capacitive Sensing

IanAber — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:43:33 GMT

The only thing to get it working, in this case, was the resistors, yes. There are other things too however. I have no idea how to get into the calibration functions. I am also pretty sure that the project was not set up to use the Segger debug output although I don't really remember now. I had a tough time working out that GPIO 26 was in fact P0.26. Seems simple now I know but I did not find anywhere that this was spelled out.

This is not an isolated case. I have tried a couple of other examples and been met with other problems along the way. Why would you limit the Zigbee channel you are trying to connect to to a single arbitrary channel in an example project and then NOT call that out in the project documentation, just bury it in the source code. It is very simple, when you understand the problem, to make it scan all available channels and then it would just work with any hub. I am talking about the Zigbee Light Bulb demo here. It is little things like this, that seem simple and obvious when you know the answers, that create an unnecessarily steep learning curve.

RE: Capacitive Sensing

awneil — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:29:00 GMT

but I think the only thing missing was the resistors ?

RE: Capacitive Sensing

IanAber — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:08:44 GMT

Yes, that is where I found it too. All I am saying is that for people new to this stuff or people who only use it occasionally, who are likely to want to try out some of the examples, you just need to make it easy by putting all the information needed to build and run the example in one, easy to find, place. Adding simple instructions specific to the project and the board for which it is designed, right there in the example is all you need to get going. You should not have to waste a lot of time and get frustrated by having it not work then having to troll through all the possible documentation locations to find out why.

It is almost like we are trying to create an exclusive club with a membership exam to pass to get in. If you can't work this stuff out on your own you don't deserve to be in here.

I am trying to develop a couple of solutions in my spare time. I get a few hours a week to devote to it and cannot afford to spend hours trolling through reams of documentation to get a simple demo example working. It is simply not worth it. If it takes too long I might just as well buy an off the shelf solution.

RE: Capacitive Sensing

awneil — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 20:28:03 GMT

hmm... don't recall having to add resistors:

twitter.com/.../1110173336343072769

https://twitter.com/antronicsltd/status/1110173336343072769

EDIT

Ah - I can see them now!

EDIT 2

It's here: https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/com.nordic.infocenter.sdk5.v15.0.0/lib_csense_lowlevel.html

RE: Capacitive Sensing

IanAber — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:29:41 GMT

It specifically adds 150k resistors from P0.26 to each sensor. Without these it will not work and this does not appear to be in the instructions. Please correct me if I missed it;-)

RE: Capacitive Sensing

awneil — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 18:32:16 GMT

Not really clear what that adds that isn't in the instructions:

https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/sdk_nrf5_v17.0.2/csense_example.html

RE: Capacitive Sensing

jalan — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 17:47:43 GMT

Thanks for the good tips!