AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

paul_tanner — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:01:54 GMT

I'm certain I already replied to this. Anyway:

Yes. removing CONFIG_LTE_LEGACY_PCO_MODE=y made no difference.

Regards.

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

Øyvind — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:49:39 GMT

Hi Paul,

Yes, this may cause a connection issue as Legacy Protocol Configuration Options (PCO) is an older protocol compared to extended Protocol Configuration Options (ePCO), and intended for NB-IoT

The Digital Matter blog https://www.digitalmatter.com/nb-iot-update-pco-support/ has a good explanation:

Device manufacturers, module manufacturers, and networks all need to quickly adapt when deploying new networks. In the case of NB-IoT, not every network has got it right first try.

The 3GPP standard (standard specification for mobile networks globally) specifies that NB-IoT networks support ePCO (extended protocol configuration options).

Many networks globally instead offer PCO. When a device attempts to connect expecting ePCO, it will not be able to get online. The two messages are different, so the device and the network don’t understand each other properly.

Did you try to remove this configuration?

Kind regards,
Øyvind

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

paul_tanner — Thu, 08 Apr 2021 15:12:27 GMT

OK. I got some O2 SIMs from Arkessa.

Changed the code to select LTE-M but not getting a connection.

Looking at the config I see that I have CONFIG_LTE_LEGACY_PCO_MODE=y

Could that be a cause of non-connection?

Regards.

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

paul_tanner — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:31:18 GMT

I was thinking that the SIMs must be OK as they are working with other examples such as UDP.

It could take a while to get SIMs from another source. However, I realised that the Vodafone SIMs I have may be restricted in terms to the IPs they can access. I have asked them to support a connection to supl.google.com in addition to the IP they are already accessing.

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

Øyvind — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:42 GMT

[quote user="paul_tanner"]why does the AGPS example stall? Is some further customisation needed to enable the necessary cloud connection?[/quote]

No, there shouldn't be any other customisations needed to enable anything. What I am afraid of is the NB-IoT connection. Are you able to try with a new SIM from Arkessa? https://www.arkessa.com/

If that does not help, can you please try running the Asset Tracker sample to see if that is able to connect nRF Cloud?

Thank you.
-Øyvind

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

paul_tanner — Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:17:26 GMT

I'm using NB-IoT SIMs from Vodafone. I also have an iBasis LTE/M SIM but had similar coverage issues with that. I know that at this stage of UK rollouts we have to travel a little to get in range. However, we have plenty of development work yet to do before we'll be ready to deploy.

So the question remains: why does the AGPS example stall? Is some further customisation needed to enable the necessary cloud connection?

I see that nrfCloud can generate a device certificate. No mention of that in the README but I wondered if that could be required in the build?

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

Øyvind — Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:35:29 GMT

Hello,

My apologies for the blunt answer yesterday. I contacted the RSM for the UK to get a better overview of the network situation, and this is her response:

The UK have LTE-m coverage in the EAST, via O2 (Telefonica). Customers can check the coverage in their area using this website: https://www.o2.co.uk/business/solutions/iot/lte-m

Please note that the last time I checked the low-power modes (eDRX and PSM) were not available to roaming SIMs (like iBasis) so he would need a SIM from O2 (with a data allowance) to get the GPS demo on the Thingy:91 working.

Should he wish to try NB-IoT, then this is also possible where he lives, however he will need to get specific SIM cards that are enabled for NB-IoT. I would advise contacting Arkessa for these as they are a preferred partner of Vodfone, however the SIMs that Arkessa supply in their trial pack are NOT whitelisted – which makes development a whole lot easier especially when using AWS!

If you are interested in getting a trial package from Arkessa, please let me know and I will forward the contact information.

NB-IoT coverage is ALMOST the whole of the country (with notable exceptions like East Anglia), and the density of coverage should be improving.

Please let me know if you have any further questions on this.

Are you using the iBasis SIM for testing or do you use another SIM from one of the network providers?

Kind regards,
Øyvind

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

paul_tanner — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:43:54 GMT

I mean a couple of days to find time to get near a cell tower that supports it. Both NB-IoT and LTE/M have patchy coverage in the UK. Our hope is that when development is complete coverage will be better.

Then i found I had some time today. I did 2 successful tests with another app that uses NB-IoT. In between I did 2 tests with the AGPS sample. The results were the same and I waited at least 10 minutes in each case

2021-03-23T15:43:16.323Z DEBUG modem << I: A-GPS sample has started
2021-03-23T15:43:16.352Z DEBUG modem << I: Connecting to LTE network. This may take minutes.
2021-03-23T15:43:16.355Z DEBUG modem << I: PSM mode requested
2021-03-23T15:43:18.491Z DEBUG modem << +CEREG: 2,"1BE8","00334D15",9,0,0,"11100000","11100000"
2021-03-23T15:43:18.881Z DEBUG modem << +CSCON: 1
2021-03-23T15:43:20.102Z DEBUG modem << +CEREG: 5,"1BE8","00334D15",9,,,"00000010","00011111"
2021-03-23T15:43:20.114Z DEBUG modem << I: Connected to LTE network
2021-03-23T15:43:20.134Z DEBUG modem << D: MAGPIO set: AT%XMAGPIO=1,0,0,1,1,1565,1586
2021-03-23T15:43:20.137Z DEBUG modem << D: COEX0 set: AT%XCOEX0=1,1,1565,1586
2021-03-23T15:43:20.138Z DEBUG modem << D: GPS socket created, fd: 1232491587
2021-03-23T15:43:20.139Z DEBUG modem << I: CLOUD_EVT_CONNECTING
2021-03-23T15:43:20.386Z DEBUG modem << I: CLOUD_EVT_CONNECTING
2021-03-23T15:43:25.478Z DEBUG modem << +CSCON: 0

So the only changes from the supplied sample were:

#CONFIG_LTE_NETWORK_MODE_LTE_M_GPS=y
CONFIG_LTE_NETWORK_MODE_NBIOT_GPS=y

I wonder if there are other things needed when NB-IoT is used. If there was a connection problem I would expect some kind of timeout message. Instead it seems to be just hanging.

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

Øyvind — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:17:08 GMT

[quote user="paul_tanner"]That will take a couple of days as I do not have NB-IoT coverage here.[/quote]

Then how are you supposed to connect to cloud if there is no coverage? Do you have LTE-M connection?

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

paul_tanner — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:38:30 GMT

Thx Øyvind.

That was the whole log. I never got the CLOUD_EVT_CONNECTED event. I will try again and leave it for a really long time. That will take a couple of days as I do not have NB-IoT coverage here.

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

Øyvind — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:01:34 GMT

Hello,

My apologies for the late reply. I have had some issues with my board.

Can you please provide full log output from when you are trying to connect? How long do you let it run? This may be an issue with the NB-IoT connection, but will need to confirm.

This is what I get when running the AGPS sample:

2021-03-23T10:58:45.747Z DEBUG modem << *** Booting Zephyr OS build v2.4.99-ncs1  ***
2021-03-23T10:58:45.750Z DEBUG modem << I: A-GPS sample has started
2021-03-23T10:58:45.752Z DEBUG modem << I: Connecting to LTE network. This may take minutes.
2021-03-23T10:58:45.753Z DEBUG modem << I: PSM mode requested
2021-03-23T10:58:46.715Z DEBUG modem << +CEREG: 2,"7AA9","01172803",7,0,0,"11100000","11100000"
2021-03-23T10:58:47.198Z DEBUG modem << +CSCON: 1
2021-03-23T10:58:48.569Z DEBUG modem << +CEREG: 1,"7AA9","01172803",7,,,"00000010","00011111"
2021-03-23T10:58:49.030Z DEBUG modem << I: Connected to LTE network
2021-03-23T10:58:49.032Z DEBUG modem << D: MAGPIO set: AT%XMAGPIO=1,0,0,1,1,1565,1586
2021-03-23T10:58:49.034Z DEBUG modem << D: COEX0 set: AT%XCOEX0=1,1,1565,1586
2021-03-23T10:58:49.035Z DEBUG modem << D: GPS socket created, fd: 1232491587
2021-03-23T10:58:49.036Z DEBUG modem << I: CLOUD_EVT_CONNECTING
2021-03-23T10:58:53.213Z DEBUG modem << I: CLOUD_EVT_CONNECTED
2021-03-23T10:58:53.888Z DEBUG modem << I: CLOUD_EVT_DATA_RECEIVED
2021-03-23T10:58:54.438Z DEBUG modem << I: CLOUD_EVT_PAIR_DONE
2021-03-23T10:58:54.935Z DEBUG modem << E: Failed to save session state: -2
2021-03-23T10:58:54.937Z DEBUG modem << I: CLOUD_EVT_READY
2021-03-23T10:58:54.938Z DEBUG modem << I: Service info sent to cloud
2021-03-23T10:58:54.938Z DEBUG modem << D: GPS mode is enabled
2021-03-23T10:58:54.939Z DEBUG modem << D: GPS operational
2021-03-23T10:58:54.940Z DEBUG modem << I: Periodic GPS search started with interval 240 s, timeout 120 s
2021-03-23T10:58:54.942Z DEBUG modem << I: GPS_EVT_SEARCH_STARTED
2021-03-23T10:58:54.943Z DEBUG modem << D: A-GPS data update needed
2021-03-23T10:58:54.943Z DEBUG modem << I: GPS_EVT_AGPS_DATA_NEEDED
2021-03-23T10:58:54.944Z DEBUG modem << D: Created A-GPS request: {"appId":"AGPS","messageType":"DATA","data":{"mcc":242,"mnc":1,"tac":31401,"eci":18294787,"phycid":0,"types":[1,2,3,4,7,8,9]}}
2021-03-23T10:58:54.944Z DEBUG modem << D: A-GPS request sent
2021-03-23T10:58:55.733Z DEBUG modem << D: Waiting for time window to operate
2021-03-23T10:58:55.736Z DEBUG modem << I: GPS_EVT_OPERATION_BLOCKED
2021-03-23T10:58:57.135Z DEBUG modem << I: CLOUD_EVT_DATA_RECEIVED
2021-03-23T10:58:57.580Z DEBUG modem << D: Receievd AGPS data. Schema version: 1, length: 1037
2021-03-23T10:58:57.582Z DEBUG modem << D: Parsed_len: 35
2021-03-23T10:58:57.584Z DEBUG modem << D: A-GPS type: NRF_CLOUD_AGPS_ALMANAC
2021-03-23T10:58:57.585Z DEBUG modem << D: Sent A-GPS data to modem, type: 3
2021-03-23T10:58:57.586Z DEBUG modem << D: Parsed_len: 66
2021-03-23T10:58:57.587Z DEBUG modem << D: A-GPS type: NRF_CLOUD_AGPS_ALMANAC
2021-03-23T10:58:57.587Z DEBUG modem << D: Sent A-GPS data to modem, type: 3

Kind regards,
Øyvind

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

paul_tanner — Sat, 20 Mar 2021 10:32:13 GMT

OK. I can wait.

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

Øyvind — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:00:15 GMT

My sincere apologies. I've had trouble with my setup here as well. I will need some more time.

Kind regards,
Øyvind

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

paul_tanner — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:18:08 GMT

RE: AGPS startup via NB-IoT on nrf9160-DK

Øyvind — Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:18:47 GMT

Hello,

Sorry for the delayed answer. I will have a look at your case and get back to you before end of the day.

Kind regards,
Øyvind