【nRF5282 Radio Clock】what is the clock speed for Radio when using softdevice

RE: 【nRF5282 Radio Clock】what is the clock speed for Radio when using softdevice

xiaolongba — Fri, 13 Aug 2021 01:48:41 GMT

Got it, you can close this ticket now. thanks

RE: 【nRF5282 Radio Clock】what is the clock speed for Radio when using softdevice

ovrebekk — Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:31:56 GMT

[quote user="xiaolongba"]got it. whether the clock for them can be modified or not?[/quote]

No, you can't change this. The radio is designed to use these clocks only.

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RE: 【nRF5282 Radio Clock】what is the clock speed for Radio when using softdevice

xiaolongba — Wed, 11 Aug 2021 13:12:13 GMT

[quote userid="2116" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/78349/nrf5282-radio-clock-what-is-the-clock-speed-for-radio-when-using-softdevice/324478#324478"]I guess the main point is which radio has the lowest power consumption and what the performance of the radio is, not how it works on the inside?[/quote]

exactly.

[quote userid="2116" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/78349/nrf5282-radio-clock-what-is-the-clock-speed-for-radio-when-using-softdevice/324478#324478"]Either way, I checked this, and it seems the digital part of the radio uses the standard 16MHz peripheral clock, while the analog part of the radio uses the 32MHz clock from the crystal directly. [/quote]

got it. whether the clock for them can be modified or not?

[quote userid="2116" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/78349/nrf5282-radio-clock-what-is-the-clock-speed-for-radio-when-using-softdevice/324478#324478"]Remember to set the voltage to 3.0V, not 3.3V. Then the OPP shows 6.7mA, which is relatively close. The numbers from the OPP should be the most accurate, since they are based on testing with the DK. [/quote]

Got it.

RE: 【nRF5282 Radio Clock】what is the clock speed for Radio when using softdevice

ovrebekk — Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:24:18 GMT

[quote user="xiaolongba"]ovrebekk Bro, thanks for the replies. The reason why I asked this question is that I am checking the power consumption, comparing to the other competitors in the same conditions, where the radio clock is one of the conditions. [/quote]

Hm, seems like an odd thing to consider. I guess the main point is which radio has the lowest power consumption and what the performance of the radio is, not how it works on the inside?

Either way, I checked this, and it seems the digital part of the radio uses the standard 16MHz peripheral clock, while the analog part of the radio uses the 32MHz clock from the crystal directly.

[quote user="xiaolongba"]Ok, I also considered it before, but the 7.1 mA can not match the value of the power profile online tool. As u know, we can see the radio tx current when using the power profile online tool, is it the same as each other?[/quote]

Remember to set the voltage to 3.0V, not 3.3V. Then the OPP shows 6.7mA, which is relatively close. The numbers from the OPP should be the most accurate, since they are based on testing with the DK.

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Torbjørn

RE: 【nRF5282 Radio Clock】what is the clock speed for Radio when using softdevice

xiaolongba — Tue, 10 Aug 2021 09:47:23 GMT

[quote userid="2116" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/78349/nrf5282-radio-clock-what-is-the-clock-speed-for-radio-when-using-softdevice/324142#324142"]I can check with the designers which clocks the radio use internally, but I must admit I am a bit curious why you need to know this?[/quote]

ovrebekk Bro, thanks for the replies. The reason why I asked this question is that I am checking the power consumption, comparing to the other competitors in the same conditions, where the radio clock is one of the conditions.

[quote userid="2116" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/78349/nrf5282-radio-clock-what-is-the-clock-speed-for-radio-when-using-softdevice/324142#324142"]The 5.3mA peak current number is for the radio alone, while 7.1mA number is the total system current, including the various clocks, regulators, memory busses etc that needs to run in order to use the radio. [/quote]

Ok, I also considered it before, but the 7.1 mA can not match the value of the power profile online tool. As u know, we can see the radio tx current when using the power profile online tool, is it the same as each other?

RE: 【nRF5282 Radio Clock】what is the clock speed for Radio when using softdevice

ovrebekk — Tue, 10 Aug 2021 08:03:31 GMT

[quote user="xiaolongba"]in other words, which clock frequencies radio needs when it is working?[/quote]

We don't document this since this information is not really needed to use the radio. When designing documentation it is always a bit of a challenge to know how much you should include, and providing too much detail can be just as confusing as if you provide too little detail.

I can check with the designers which clocks the radio use internally, but I must admit I am a bit curious why you need to know this?

[quote user="xiaolongba"]n52832 PS1.4 ,17.1.1 Electrical specification. what is the difference between them, comparing to the link you mentioned above.[/quote]

My apologies, I didn't realize you were looking at the total system current numbers.

The 5.3mA peak current number is for the radio alone, while 7.1mA number is the total system current, including the various clocks, regulators, memory busses etc that needs to run in order to use the radio.

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Torbjørn

RE: 【nRF5282 Radio Clock】what is the clock speed for Radio when using softdevice

xiaolongba — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 09:41:01 GMT

Hi ovrebekk Bro,

[quote userid="2116" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/78349/nrf5282-radio-clock-what-is-the-clock-speed-for-radio-when-using-softdevice/323946#323946"]The RF carrier is sourced from the HFCLK, and when the SoftDevice is planning to use the radio it will request the external 32MHz crystal to be enabled in order to ensure that the HFCLK is accurate enough to generate an accurate RF carrier. [/quote]

I can understand the final clock source is coming from the external 32Mhz crystal in order to ensure the HFCLK is accurate enough, but my question is what is the clock speed for Radio at this moment, as you know, different peripherals have different clock speeds. in other words, which clock frequencies radio needs when it is working? To explain more clearly, let me give me an example, the picture I captured from another competitor, as below:

as you can see, the clock source is also 32Mhz external crystal, but the clock for Radio is 16Mhz or 32Mhz, the red highlighted above.

[quote userid="2116" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/78349/nrf5282-radio-clock-what-is-the-clock-speed-for-radio-when-using-softdevice/323946#323946"]Which version of the datasheet are you referring to?[/quote]

n52832 PS1.4 ,17.1.1 Electrical specification. what is the difference between them, comparing to the link you mentioned above.

thanks in advance

RE: 【nRF5282 Radio Clock】what is the clock speed for Radio when using softdevice

ovrebekk — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 09:25:50 GMT

The RF carrier is sourced from the HFCLK, and when the SoftDevice is planning to use the radio it will request the external 32MHz crystal to be enabled in order to ensure that the HFCLK is accurate enough to generate an accurate RF carrier.

[quote user=""]what does it mean? could you explain it more details? based on the datasheet described, it should be 5.3mA, as below:[/quote]

Which version of the datasheet are you referring to?

If you look at the publicly available datasheet you will see that the TX only run current with DCDC enabled at 0dBm, called I_TX,0dBM,DCDC, is 5.3mA:
https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/com.nordic.infocenter.nrf52832.ps.v1.1/radio.html?cp=4_2_0_22_14_1#unique_1929026091

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