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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/79339/nrf52840-antenna-matching-network</link><description>Hi 
 I am usig a nRF52840 with the chip antenna 2450AT18D0100E (Johanson Technology). 
 How should I calculate the matching filter? I used the values from the reference design, but the smith chart and return loss diagram are showing some really bad and</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 13</generator><lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2021 14:28:32 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/79339/nrf52840-antenna-matching-network" /><item><title>RE: nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/328648?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2021 14:28:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:18e0e494-e8ee-4392-b3d3-c3563e4471fe</guid><dc:creator>JONATHAN LL</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this &lt;a href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/78639/layout-of-bluetooth-antenna-tunning-circuit/325142#325142"&gt;case&lt;/a&gt; you can see a reply from Kaja.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For best tuning of the antenna i would contact the manufacturer to se what they recommend for your use case. We also do tuning of the radio and antenna here at Nordic, but if low pas filters are used, there is not much we can do for the radio.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;in short:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The radio matching network and the antenna matching network&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/pastedimage1631110213832v2.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;should be connected with a 50 Ohm coplanar wave guide:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/pastedimage1631110390659v3.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;The length, L, does not matter in theory, but a very long RF path is not optimal, but 15-20 mm is not a problem.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In your case the distance is short and you have a connector in the middel. The most importen ting is to reduce ground loops and have propper grounding. You dont have to measure this but you can use digital tools to calculate and incorporate it in your design. &lt;a href="https://resources.altium.com/webinars/transmission-line-impedance-calculation-with-altium-designer-20"&gt;Altium has such tools&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for chip antennas here is a short summery(l&lt;a href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/78804/antenna-layout-for-nrf52833-soc/325922#325922"&gt;ink&lt;/a&gt; to more detail):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Chip antenna:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Higher BOM, but the antenna is small. The downside is that it usually has less gain. It requires a matching network, based on the vendors recommendations. It has a lower bandwidth than a quarter wave monopole antenna so it can be sensitive to detuning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;As a rule we do not usually recommend specific chip antennas. The selection will depend very much on the end application design, the antenna vendors can assist on choosing the right antenna for a specific design, for example Johanson has a useful tool that helps with this selection:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.johansontechnology.com/chip-antenna-selection"&gt;https://www.johansontechnology.com/chip-antenna-selection&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regards,&lt;br /&gt;Jonathan&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/328627?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2021 13:24:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:dba8ee49-d286-47f4-bea8-8033bd860039</guid><dc:creator>Dominik Eugster</dc:creator><description>[quote userid="91187" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/79339/nrf52840-antenna-matching-network/328397#328397"]Have you made sure that the transmission line is close to 50 Ohm ?&lt;br /&gt;[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;Do I need to measure this without antenna only the transmission line? Then add the antenna and tune to 2.4GHz?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/328604?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2021 12:30:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:579a21b6-4ead-45ae-84f4-9dee5ab3d135</guid><dc:creator>JONATHAN LL</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, we dont not have any application note or&amp;nbsp;white paper chip antennas for any 52 series product.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We do have the &lt;a href="https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/ug_thingy91/UG/thingy91/hw_description/nRF52840.html?cp=14_1_2_3"&gt;Thingy91&lt;/a&gt;, it has a nrf52840 with a chip antenna that you could look at. Where a Johanson antenna is used. The &lt;a href="https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/ug_nrf91_dk/UG/nrf91_DK/bluetooth_ieee_network_processor.html?cp=2_0_5_4_6_1"&gt;nrf9160 DK&lt;/a&gt; also has similar design with QIAA package.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/2211.pastedimage1631099111186v1.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for guides here is what we currently have:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/nordic/short-range-guides/b/hardware-and-layout/posts/general-pcb-design-guidelines-for-nrf52"&gt;(+) General PCB design guidelines for nRF52 series - Hardware design, test and measurement - nRF5 SDK guides - Nordic DevZone (nordicsemi.com)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/nan_040/APP/nan_040/nan40_intro.html?cp=16_1"&gt;https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/nan_040/APP/nan_040/nan40_intro.html?cp=16_1&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regards,&lt;br /&gt;Jonathan&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/328554?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2021 10:34:54 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:485a9f4a-7e78-4dad-8acc-cc2f4e7e5d6a</guid><dc:creator>Dominik Eugster</dc:creator><description>[quote userid="91187" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/79339/nrf52840-antenna-matching-network/328543#328543"]&amp;nbsp;The Johanson low pass filter does work but i often find it does have a bit more loss then a vell tuned matching network. Bu make sure you follow the layout exactly to get the desired effect.[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;Do you provide any application note or design guide for a chip antenna connected to the NRF52840-QIAA? The evaluation board has no chip antenna.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How much is the output capacity in ohms and j of the NRF52840-QIAA antenna port?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dominik&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/328543?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2021 09:49:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:e8af31e4-904c-4c7a-898d-caa4600b25d1</guid><dc:creator>JONATHAN LL</dc:creator><description>[quote user="Dominik Eugster"] I can&amp;#39;t follow the layout, beacuse I have another schematic and application.[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;To get the best possible RF results then i suggest that you try to follow the reference of the RF area as close as possible, even if you cant do it 1:1.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;Preferably we do recommend that the RF path/transmission line is a grounded coplanar wave guide(&lt;span&gt;GCPW)&lt;/span&gt;. Adding proper &lt;a href="https://www.altium.com/documentation/altium-designer/via-stitching-and-via-shielding-ad"&gt;via shielding&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
[quote user="Dominik Eugster"]Anyway I changed the RF part with a low pass filter &lt;a href="https://johansontechnology.com/datasheets/2450FM07B0037/2450FM07B0037.pdf"&gt;2450FM07B0037&lt;/a&gt;. I think this will improve a lot the stability and dB, do you agree?[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;The Johanson low pass filter does work but i often find it does have a bit more loss then a vell tuned matching network. Bu make sure you follow the layout exactly to get the desired effect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/pastedimage1631092764648v1.png" alt=" " /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The transmission line should also&amp;nbsp;have&amp;nbsp;a singel ground reference plane. So the layer beneath the signal path for the antenna should be a ground layer. To serve as the RF ground.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regards,&lt;br /&gt;Jonathan&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/328451?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2021 16:00:45 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:ad96044d-8992-4775-acba-3872bca14eb0</guid><dc:creator>Dominik Eugster</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi &lt;a href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/members/jonathanll"&gt;JONATHAN LL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your answer. I can&amp;#39;t follow the layout, beacuse I have another schematic and application.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The transmission line I can check and adjust to 50 Ohms, I will do this, then maybe it&amp;#39;s better.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway I changed the RF part with a low pass filter &lt;a href="https://johansontechnology.com/datasheets/2450FM07B0037/2450FM07B0037.pdf"&gt;2450FM07B0037&lt;/a&gt;. I think this will improve a lot the stability and dB, do you agree?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img alt=" " src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/RF-part.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img alt=" " src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/RF-Part-layout.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards, Dominik&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/328397?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:45:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:899e0c61-57fc-4387-807a-f7033df25e66</guid><dc:creator>JONATHAN LL</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Dominik,&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best way to figure out the correct matching is to test, you can only get so far with calculating/simulating. When not following the reference layout the result will differ due to stray capacitance and inductance.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do highly recommend that you follow the &lt;a href="https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/ps_nrf52840/ref_circuitry.html?cp=4_0_0_6_2_14#layout"&gt;layout&lt;/a&gt; also.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/pastedimage1631016791251v2.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have you made sure that the transmission line is close to 50 Ohm ?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/pastedimage1631016613322v1.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the data sheet the chip antenna has a recomendation for layout as well.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/pastedimage1631018389635v3.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When it comes to the radio matching components it is important to remember that the the components also serve to filter harmonics.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regards,&lt;br /&gt;Jonathan&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/328265?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2021 19:01:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:833df85a-06eb-45e3-9cf0-a7be0dab639b</guid><dc:creator>Dominik Eugster</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;this is the measurement without matching componets, only the antenna and the 0Ohm resistors until the ant pin of the nRF&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img alt=" " src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/Measurement0034.png" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a 0.5pF in series and 4.7nH shunt gives this diagram:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img alt=" " src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/Measurement0035.png" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF52840 Antenna matching network</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/328263?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2021 17:57:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:09c012ef-44e8-42be-815d-767a4e2af68a</guid><dc:creator>Dominik Eugster</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Here are the plots from the antenna without additional components&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/Measurement0031.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/Measurement0033.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>