Schematic and pcb review

RE: Schematic and pcb review

Martin Sivertsen — Tue, 28 Sep 2021 13:59:29 GMT

Hi David,

Some comments:

You said: "The layout was requested per the company resulting in not being 100% equal to your reference", why?
Note the placement of the radio matching network in our reference layout, it need to be placed as close to the chip as possible, make it look exactly the same as ours. Note also how the ground pad on C1 in our reference layout connects directly to the center pad going through pad J31, connecting it this way creates a filtering effect that suppresses radio harmonics. Also, all decoupling capacitors need to be placed as close to the chip as possible as well.
Your layout as a quick reference
You still haven't added via stitching to connect the different copper layers together, or added ground vias next to all the ground pads, you need to do this to create short return paths.
I see you use vias in the pads of the nRF5340, these are generally added to be able to route out signals to/from the inner row of pads, but you still have a lot of available pins on the outer rows of pads, and even have vias in the pads of the outer rows. Using the outer rows of pins on the nRF5340 first might eliminate the need to use the inner row and thereby adding via in pad. if you need to cross under some other signals you can use vias out on the board instead of in the pads. Via in pad adds cost in the manufacturing of the PCB (especially for package types like the nRF5340 here), and if you can avoid it you can save money, which is always a good thing.
I'd move the shunt capacitor as marked in green, this way you get an even ground plane near the via to ground and can connect it according to the application note and disregard what I said about connecting it directly to the top ground plane. Follow the application note.
I'd also like to see an even copper ground pour under the nRF5340 like this>
The trace between the radio matching network and the antenna matching network needs to be 50 ohms impedance (+/- 10%) to reduce loss, and we recommend achieving this by using a coplanar waveguide.

Best regards,

Martin S.

RE: Schematic and pcb review

Martin Sivertsen — Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:57:50 GMT

Hi David,

I'll take a look at this and get back to you tomorrow.

Best regards,

Martin S.

RE: Schematic and pcb review

DavidAbreu99 — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:35:08 GMT

Hello, here is the new devzone.nordicsemi.com/.../6138.gerber.zip files, the layout was requested per the company resulting in not being 100% equal to your reference. I added the shunt capacitior right next to the antenna and all 4 layers are now ground layers using vias to connect every needed pads.

My best regards,

David Abreu

RE: Schematic and pcb review

Martin Sivertsen — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 10:32:28 GMT

Hi David,

That antenna seems robust, but there might be variances in impedance and performance with change in the copper area of the PCB, so a shunt capacitor might be a good idea at least. You can see that they have added that to their design as well just in case (the other component is likely a 0 ohm resistor and you don't need to add this):

Best regards,

Martin S.

RE: Schematic and pcb review

DavidAbreu99 — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:50:16 GMT

Hello,

thank you for your feedback and i'll get to it, but i have one starting question.

You mention a use of a second pi-network for the antenna itself for impedance matching, i'm using a layout directly from Texas ti for a BLE 2.4GHz antenna in which paper they mention

The IFA was designed to match an impedance of 50 ohm at 2.45 GHz. Thus no additional matching components are necessary.

With this in mind do i still need to add a second pi-network matching circuit?

I'll get started on the other points you refered.

My best regards,

David Abreu

RE: Schematic and pcb review

Martin Sivertsen — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:57:04 GMT

Hi David,

Some comments and feedback:

You need to follow our reference layout for the nRF5340 for component placement and layout.
Read this page at the same time: https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/topic/ps_nrf5340/chapters/ref_circuitry.html?cp=3_0_0_8_2
The RF path needs two matching networks, one to adjust the output impedance from the nRF5340 to 50 ohms and subdue harmonics, and the other to adjust the impedance of the antenna to 50 ohms, see the graphic below (this is for a different chip, so disregard L2 and the component values)
The transmission line between the two aforementioned matching networks needs to be 50 ohms (+/- 10%) which can be achieved using a coplanar waveguide
Place the antenna matching network right up to the antenna feed point
Connect this part directly to the ground plane
I would have a full coper pour on all four layers and add via stitching to connect the ground copper layers together-
Add vias right next to all ground pads.

Please get back to us when you have updated the design.

Best regards,

Martin S.

RE: Schematic and pcb review

Martin Sivertsen — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:26:52 GMT

Thanks David,

I'll take a look at this and get back to you over the weekend with some feedback.

Best regards,

Martin S.

RE: Schematic and pcb review

DavidAbreu99 — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:30:03 GMT

Hello,

The gerber files are in the following archive.

devzone.nordicsemi.com/.../1205.gerber.zip

My best regards,

David Abreu.

RE: Schematic and pcb review

Martin Sivertsen — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 10:29:21 GMT

Hi David,

Do you have Gerber files for the board as well?

Best regards,

Martin S.