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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>nRF51822 rf layout</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/82681/nrf51822-rf-layout</link><description>Hi, 
 I am new to microwave board design, so I&amp;#39;d like a little advice please. I have attached photos of the 2.4ghz section of my board and would like to know if the component layout is okay. The circuit should be identical (with reference to DC resistance</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 13</generator><lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:14:21 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/82681/nrf51822-rf-layout" /><item><title>RE: nRF51822 rf layout</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/343450?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:14:21 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:49b0256e-7efe-4b1e-bc2a-b0b88cb7289d</guid><dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator><description>[quote userid="13081" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/82681/nrf51822-rf-layout/343315#343315"] the distance to ground on the bottom layer is a little bit tight.[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;I aligned the edges of my ground planes.&lt;/p&gt;
[quote userid="13081" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/82681/nrf51822-rf-layout/343315#343315"]It looks like you&amp;#39;re using &lt;a href="https://www.ti.com/lit/an/swra117d/swra117d.pdf"&gt;this &lt;/a&gt;antenna, and the distance to ground should be 0.46 mm.[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;Yes, but TI&amp;#39;s AN043 didn&amp;#39;t specify the distance from the final leg to the ground plane, so I took the difference L6-L1 = 0.96mm and divided by 2.&amp;nbsp; Thank you for the specific&amp;nbsp;answer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
[quote userid="13081" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/82681/nrf51822-rf-layout/343315#343315"]I&amp;#39;d also recommend adding a shunt component[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;Done!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF51822 rf layout</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/343315?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2021 08:11:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:17b25f84-3c38-4222-9175-bd58c2b23a1f</guid><dc:creator>Martin Sivertsen</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Brian,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
[quote user="bkp"]1.&amp;nbsp;Does&amp;nbsp;the distance from the ground plane to the antenna look correct?[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;The distance to ground on the top layer looks good, the distance to ground on the bottom layer is a little bit tight. It looks like you&amp;#39;re using &lt;a href="https://www.ti.com/lit/an/swra117d/swra117d.pdf"&gt;this &lt;/a&gt;antenna, and the distance to ground should be 0.46 mm.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/pastedimage1639469460077v3.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
[quote user="bkp"]2. Did I connect the antenna ground correctly by bringing the ground plane right up to the pad on both top/bottom layer?[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;Yes, we have seen good performance connecting it like that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;d also recommend adding a shunt component (usually a 1.0 pF capacitor) right up to the antenna feed point to be able to fine tune the antenna, we usually get good results by just adjusting the length of the antenna and the value of the capacitor:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/pastedimage1639469092125v2.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Martin S.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF51822 rf layout</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/343287?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2021 01:20:44 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:edd8a2bd-197e-401b-8d3e-e130a0b06bb1</guid><dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Ok, I have gone back to the reference design for the RF section.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have two questions now...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.&amp;nbsp;Does&amp;nbsp;the distance from the ground plane to the antenna look correct?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. Did I connect the antenna ground correctly by bringing the ground plane right up to the pad on both top/bottom layer?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/Screen-Shot-2021_2D00_12_2D00_13-at-19.57.35.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/resized-image/__size/320x240/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/4/Screen-Shot-2021_2D00_12_2D00_13-at-19.58.56.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF51822 rf layout</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/343151?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:30:48 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:9efc1cf6-0c25-4e16-94be-c5f8e419c198</guid><dc:creator>Martin Sivertsen</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#39;re welcome.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best regards&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Martin S.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF51822 rf layout</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/343139?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:04:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:670ca567-5156-4f44-b4fa-475bd85ed8e5</guid><dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you Martin!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: nRF51822 rf layout</title><link>https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/thread/343121?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:37:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">137ad170-7792-4731-bb38-c0d22fbe4515:26b33a80-39f1-41ce-8533-e0eca0aa1856</guid><dc:creator>Martin Sivertsen</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Brian,&lt;/p&gt;
[quote user=""]I just need to know if it&amp;#39;s okay to rearrange the component locations/orientations as I&amp;#39;ve done.[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;We highly recommend our customers to copy the reference layout as close as possible, as that configuration is what the board has been characterized with and the configuration where we can guarantee optimal RF performance. Changing the layout of the components might affect the performance, but it&amp;#39;s difficult for us to say without doing physical testing on the board.&lt;/p&gt;
[quote user=""]I noticed in the reference design there are not ground planes near the&amp;nbsp;RF section. I presume that&amp;#39;s to reduce the stray capacitance and thereby keeping the impedance more constant.&amp;nbsp;[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#39;s correct.&lt;/p&gt;
[quote user=""]Should I add keepout zones?[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;Again, it&amp;#39;s difficult to give any recommendations other than following the reference layout here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Martin S.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>