Need help with sd-card mounting time

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

Sigurd Hellesvik — Wed, 09 Feb 2022 12:42:24 GMT

[quote user="nWre"]source mode was to be able to measure the SPI peripherals. [/quote]

Yes of course. So you will need to use Source mode.

[quote user="Sigurd Hellesvik"]I suggest you stick to ampere mode for measuring.[/quote]

Disregard my previous statement, I were confused for a bit since Source and Ampere showed different measurements.
Then I found that the USB is supplying 5V, while in Source Mode the PPK2 is supplying 3.3V.
This is the reason for the different current measurements. If you want Ampere mode to measure the same as Source, set the Power of the Source Mode to 5V. Be careful to check if your peripherals can handle 5V.

So both Source Mode is fine.

I still would recommend every part one at a time and sum it up once, it will give some more insight and a good double check of things.
Then you can measure everything at once and know approx what you should get.

Did this make sense?

Regards,
Sigurd hellesvik

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

nWre — Wed, 09 Feb 2022 12:12:09 GMT

Why I changed to source mode was to be able to measure the SPI peripherals. If I go back to ampere mode, the peripherals are not included unless supplied by the VDD_nRF but that voltage is not enough to use the peripherals. Can I assume the current draw from perihperals measured from source mode is the same in ampere mode? That is, in source mode, voltage from dk with sensors - voltage from dk = sensor consumption.

Thank you Sigurd :)

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

Sigurd Hellesvik — Wed, 09 Feb 2022 11:56:51 GMT

You connection diagram looks fine.

Keep in mind that on the nRF9160DK, there are three chips.

Debugger
nRF9160
nRF52840

When you measure on the nRF_VDD, you only measure the power consumption of the nRF9160.

I suggest you stick to ampere mode for measuring.

Also see Getting started with current measurements on the nRF9160 for some tips.

Regards,
Sigurd Hellesvik

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

nWre — Wed, 09 Feb 2022 10:20:01 GMT

expanded picture for clarity

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

nWre — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 12:45:18 GMT

Hi! This is my setup(forgive my paint skills) when using source mode:

I do have a usb connected to the DK for programming and that would explain the noise. However, can I split the vout from the PPK2 to connect to both nrf_ref on P22 AND supply on P21? If not, would there be a reasonable assumption that the current from ampere mode is the correct one and the added one I get in source mode is due to noise? I should also point out that the ground from PPK2 is connected to the negative terminal on P21.

Regarding the second part: This would be ideal, however the sd-card mounting procedure takes too much time when it is needed and data is lost. I have created a second ticket for this, thank you very much for your help.

Edit: When in ampere mode, I have connected it according to the instructions on the PPK2 tutorial video from nordic on youtube.

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

Sigurd Hellesvik — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 12:34:07 GMT

[quote user="nWre"]My first question is: when using the ppk2 in source mode, I get 3,39mA but in ampere mode, I get 2,5mA. What should I go on? Is it the voltage regulator that experiences a loss when in source mode?[/quote]

Both modes should measure the same current if you have set up the measurement correctly.
Source Mode and Ampere Mode should be connected in two different ways. Could you send pictures of how you have connected the PPK2 in the different modes?

Did you remember to prepare the DK for power measurement? See Measuring current for the nRF9160.

[quote user="nWre"]and also: do you know of a way to idle the sd-card in a lower current than 2,18mA? I have ordered transistor and will try to "cut" the power once it is mounted but I fear it will not work to cut power to a mounted device.[/quote]

Yea, once it is mounted, it will work poorly to just remove the power from it.

SD Card storage is for long time storage. So my guess is that you will write to it infrequently.
If this is the case, I suggest that you only turn the SD Card reader on when you need to write to it.
So Power -> Mount -> Read/Write -> Unmount -> Poweroff.

To save more power for the nRF, concider also disabling the SPI peripheral when not using it.

Would this work for your application?

Regards,
Sigurd Hellesvik

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

nWre — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 12:19:17 GMT

Hi again Sigurd! And thank you! I've now been able to measure the total current. What I've found is this:

only the DK: 3,39mA
The DK and sensors: 4,06mA
The DK, sensors and SD-card: 6,17mA

My first question is: when using the ppk2 in source mode, I get 3,39mA but in ampere mode, I get 2,5mA. What should I go on? Is it the voltage regulator that experiences a loss when in source mode?

and also: do you know of a way to idle the sd-card in a lower current than 2,18mA? I have ordered transistor and will try to "cut" the power once it is mounted but I fear it will not work to cut power to a mounted device.

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

Sigurd Hellesvik — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 12:43:47 GMT

[quote user="nWre"]So the transistor would function as an and gate of sorts?[/quote]

A very simplified way to look at a transistor is a switch controlled by an electronic signal.

[quote user="nWre"] I'm new to the electronics part of this, would any transistor do or is there a specific one I need?[/quote]

There are a lot of good tutorials on transistors on the internet. I recommend you have a look at a couple of those, as the ones made them for sure know more than me about transistors and are likely better at the explaining part.

[quote user="nWre"] Do I need anything more than a transistor, breadboard and wire?[/quote]

Yes, you would need a breadboard and some wire for prototyping (often called "jumper wire" or "dupont wire").

[quote user="nWre"]When using the ppk2 as source, can I jump the vout to both the dk and the sd-card reader without the transistor using breadboard and wires?[/quote]

To connect the PPK2 to two different devices, you will need to branch the cable in two.
A wire to do is not included in the PPK2 kit. I would say the simplest way to do this is to use a breadboard and dupont wires.
However, as long as you are able to connect all three devices,it will work.
There are a lot of ways to do this. Another alternative would for example be to solder together three cables to make a three-way cable.

If you do not include the transistor, you will not be able to toggle the power of the SD-Card reader, and it will be on all the time.

Regards,
Sigurd Hellesvik

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

nWre — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 12:23:53 GMT

Hi Sigurd and thank you! So the transistor would function as an and gate of sorts? I'm new to the electronics part of this, would any transistor do or is there a specific one I need? Do I need anything more than a transistor, breadboard and wire? When using the ppk2 as source, can I jump the vout to both the dk and the sd-card reader without the transistor using breadboard and wires?

I will create a new ticket for the last question, thank you very much for your help.

RE: Need help with sd-card mounting time

Sigurd Hellesvik — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 12:12:18 GMT

[quote user=""]2. I need to be able to turn on and off power to the sd-card which requires a configurable pin. That is, I need a gpio pin with an output equal to VDD[/quote]

Supplying peripherals from the GPIO pins are not recommended. To see the capabilities of the GPIO pins, see GPIO: Electrical specification.

I would recommend using a transistor for toggling the power to the SD-Card module. For example like this:

[quote user=""]1. I need to measure spi-consumption on the PPK2 but the nRF_ref does not provide the same voltage as VDD[/quote]

If your goal is to measure the current of the nRF9160 and the SD Card reader, I think the simplest solution would be to power both directly from the PPK2 in Source Mode, like this:

Will this solution work for you?

[quote user=""]3. Is there a way to run the mounting procedure in parallel with data recording to RAM such that I don't miss data? How?[/quote]

This question is quite different from the other two.
To keep DevZone tidy, please create a new ticket for this question?

Regards,
Sigurd Hellesvik