Can I download new image in the place of application ?

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

Einar Thorsrud — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 12:41:59 GMT

Yes, that is correct.

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

RAM_MS — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 10:09:29 GMT

Hello Einar ,

So summary of discussion is if I want overwrite application upgrade via OTA,I should use nRF5 SDK bootloader.

nRF Connect SDK bootloader via OTA is not support overwrite .

Right ?

Thanks,

Ram

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

Einar Thorsrud — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:55:07 GMT

Hi Ram,

Earlier you were describing MCUBoot and SMP server etc. All I have stated before applies to that bootloader, and this is what is used with the nRF Connect SDK.

What you are describing now is the secure bootloader from the nRF5 SDK. This is a completely different bootloader, that has nothing to do with MCUBoot, SMP server etc. This is a completely different bootloader where the transport is in the bootloader, so things are very different. In the nRF5 SDK bootloader, you can have only a single application bank, and updates via both serial and DFU can work without the need for flash space to store another application image. In fact, you do not need any additional space at all, as long as you can fit the Bootloader, MBR, application and bootloader settings page (and optionally MBR params). For Bluetooth, you also need the SoftDevice.

To understand the nRF5 SDK bootloader is recommend Getting started with Nordic's Secure DFU bootloader, a step by step guide. You should also refer to the bootloader examples and bootloader modules documentation.

Key question: Which SDK version are you using? If you are using the nRF5 SDK, then the nRF5 SDK bootloader is what you should use, and this supports what you have requested. But please discard all you have read about the MCUBootloader, both the documentation you linked to an all discussion here. That has absolutely no relevance for the nRF5 SDK bootloader.

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

RAM_MS — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 06:33:15 GMT

Hello Einar ,

Another clarification I want to know .

My bootloader is secure_bootloader_ble_s132.

And by this I updated my application ble_app_blinky_s132 via nrf_connect app from mobile.

So bootloader is always there placed in starting address of flash .Again I put in it bootloader mode and want to update a new application lets ble_app_beacon_s132.

And I want to new application should overwritten in the place of old application ble_app_blinky_s132.

It is not possible via Bluetooth bootloader?

Thanks ,

Ram

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

RAM_MS — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 13:11:36 GMT

Hello Einar,

Thanks for your support .

Ram

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

Einar Thorsrud — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 13:08:38 GMT

That is correct. Bluetooth transport must be done by the application, and the application cannot overwrite itself.

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

RAM_MS — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 13:04:36 GMT

Hello Einar ,

[quote userid="7377" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/85389/can-i-download-new-image-in-the-place-of-application/356047#356047"]In that case, what you want is the serial recovery. That is the only supported option.[/quote]

overwrite-based image upgrade, can be done only by Serial recovery DFU ?

By using Bluetooth(OTA), It can not be done ?

Thanks,

Ram

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

Einar Thorsrud — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 12:58:55 GMT

Hi Ram,

In that case, what you want is the serial recovery. That is the only supported option. The nRF Connect Desktop documentation has good documentation about it: Serial recovery DFU.

Einar

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

RAM_MS — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 12:23:13 GMT

Hello Einar ,

[quote userid="7377" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/85389/can-i-download-new-image-in-the-place-of-application/356022#356022"]Which transport do you use for DFU?[/quote]

I am using serial.

[quote userid="7377" url="~/f/nordic-q-a/85389/can-i-download-new-image-in-the-place-of-application/356022#356022"]you need to do handle the transport in the application, and then you need to store the new image separately from the existing image.[/quote]

I don't want to store new image separately .

Instead I want overwrite-based image upgrades,

please guide steps to do so.

Thanks ,

Ram

RE: Can I download new image in the place of application ?

Einar Thorsrud — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 12:16:34 GMT

Hi Ram,

Which transport do you use for DFU?

MCUboot does not have any other transport than serial, and that is for serial recovery. If you want another transport (like Bluetooth) or more features than you get with serial recovery, you need to do handle the transport in the application, and then you need to store the new image separately from the existing image. One alternative could be to use an external flash in addition to the nRF, and have the secondary slot there.

Einar