NRF52832 antena set-up

Hello,

I'm currently creating my own custom board for NRF 52832.

I put everything together, but I can't detect my custom board through Bluetooth using the NRF connect app. 

I'm using QFAA and QFAB QFN48 with DC/DC regulator setup.

Here I've attached the schematic of my custom board and all the components.

I'm new to designing an antenna for BLE. I believe there's something wrong with the antenna design. 

Please let me know if there's anything wrong with this design. 

Thank you!

Custom_nrf52832chip.pdf

 

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  • Hi Jonathan!

    Thank you so much for the reply.

    I'm not sure what you mean by layout file. I'm creating my CAD file using Rhino 7 software.

    I have attached a pdf file for the schematic:NRF52832_cad_final_Design.pdf

    Also, I used the AppCad program to calculate the dimension that is required for the antenna.

    This is the result that I got: 

    My PCB will be made out of 9-micron copper laminated on 25 microns Polyimide laminate.

    Also, what is the reasoning for connecting GPIO pins(37 and 38) to the ground pin??

    Please let me know what you think!

  • The schematic is only the conceptual electrical connections and does not match the physical layout. From the file that you share I suspect that this is also how the board looks?


    Is it a singel copper plane, 1 layer on top of a substrate? 
    If this is the case then there is a high chanse that the antenna and radio will need to be tuned to work, so you are unlikely to see any successful radio communication. As it is important that the device has enough ground and that the grund is connected all over to shorten return paths and current loops. 



    So here is an example:
    schematic

    PCB layout:  Red is top layer, Blue is bottom. 




    Joseph said:
    Also, what is the reasoning for connecting GPIO pins(37 and 38) to the ground pin??

    It removes an issue where unwanted noise could show up in the RF path. 



    Also see:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oA4X3OTz0M 


    Regards,
    Jonathan

  • Hi Jonathan,

    I connected GPIO pins(37 and 38) to the ground and connected the capacitor in between the connections. Here is my modified PCB layout: 

    Is it a singel copper plane, 1 layer on top of a substrate? 

    -> yes. It’s a single copper plane on top. However, if necessary, I can get two layers of double copper planes on top and bottom, and a substrate (PI) in between. Would that be better and easier for me?

    This is the result that I got: 

    -> Also, Could you please verify if the width and length dimensions are correct to achieve a Z0 of 50 ohms?

  • Joseph said:
    Also, Could you please verify if the width and length dimensions are correct to achieve a Z0 of 50 ohms?

    This formula used here is for a design that does have a copper plane as a reference ground, so it will not apply to your design as it is now.  Since you only have one single layer. 






    Joseph said:
    I connected GPIO pins(37 and 38) to the ground and connected the capacitor in between the connections. Here is my modified PCB layout: 

    You do not need the capacitors if you dont use the pins. You can just directly connect them to the center pad of the SOC




    But, You need to use two layers here. AND vias that connect the top and bottom layer ground together. 




    Pleas watch the videos I linked for context:

    PCB Antenna - How To Design, Measure And Tune

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEb_0dja8tE 

    019 Inverted-F PCB Antenna: How to tune PCB circuits using a NanoVNA


    And more info: 
    https://www.altium.com/documentation/altium-designer/via-stitching-via-shielding-pcb?srsltid=AfmBOoqXT2HXxyukmmMcLh_el8hXIDx3KkTGP-mjaTmPZc-4FeyP5UWd 



    Feel free to ask more questions if things are unclear. 



    Regards,
    Jonathan

  • Hello all, 

    I'm actually replying on behalf of Joseph, we work in the same lab. When we printed this circuit, the copper traces did seem to function as an antenna and we were able to establish a bluetooth connection. We assumed that this issue was resolved and this would continue to work, but we're now running into some additional problems. Mainly, it seems like all new circuits that we have printed (even using the exact same design file) are not able to establish a bluetooth connection. When we test them using a PPK, the working circuit is drawing upwards of 25mA whereas the other circuits are only drawing about 10mA, which I'm assuming is due to one being able to advertise and one not. We're looking into getting an antenna instead of using the copper traces, specifically the one found here. I guess I have two questions:

    1. Do you agree that the copper traces acting as an antenna are likely the issue here, given the power draw discrepancies and inability to connect over Bluetooth?

    2. If the antenna that we plan on purchasing would work, what would the best place to connect it be?

    Thank you for the help!

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