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10K Nodes in a single network

Hi,

Please help to suggest if 10K Nodes in a single network with 100 Kbps data rate is achievable with data transmission interval being roughly every 30 seconds.

This will be a battery operated device.

Kindly suggest the best possible topology to achieve the same.

Thanks

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  • Zigbee will not be able handle a network of the size of 10K nodes.
    The only possibility would be use a Bluetooth mesh or a proprietary mesh.

    In addition, making the nodes battery operated will bring constraints on its routing capability vs battery life. I think the closest battery operated router will be a zigbee based router, a bluetooth mesh node cannot be a battery operated routing node.

    This seems to lean towards a proprietary mesh implementation for these node sizes

    Assuming all nodes are transmitting directly to a gateway (no routers), with a packet size of 31 bytes , one transmit every 30 seconds, with a bit encoding of 1Mbps, single rf channel.

    31 bytes BTLE standard advertising packet at 1Mbps on air will have a on air occupancy of about 400 us. If we extrapolate this for 10K nodes , this is about 4000ms or about 4 seconds. 
    Since we tx every 30 seconds, this is a 14% on air occupancy

    This looks fairly possible when the gateway is in direct radio range, the bandwidth for this is about 134kbps in raw bandwidth and a data bandwidth of about 85kbps

    I have not adjusted the above results for packet collisions so the effective bandwidth will be worse than the above.

    When you add hops to this mesh, I would expect this to deteriorate significantly.

    In any case I will have to run this in a simulator to verify the rough results.

    Hope this helps.

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  • Zigbee will not be able handle a network of the size of 10K nodes.
    The only possibility would be use a Bluetooth mesh or a proprietary mesh.

    In addition, making the nodes battery operated will bring constraints on its routing capability vs battery life. I think the closest battery operated router will be a zigbee based router, a bluetooth mesh node cannot be a battery operated routing node.

    This seems to lean towards a proprietary mesh implementation for these node sizes

    Assuming all nodes are transmitting directly to a gateway (no routers), with a packet size of 31 bytes , one transmit every 30 seconds, with a bit encoding of 1Mbps, single rf channel.

    31 bytes BTLE standard advertising packet at 1Mbps on air will have a on air occupancy of about 400 us. If we extrapolate this for 10K nodes , this is about 4000ms or about 4 seconds. 
    Since we tx every 30 seconds, this is a 14% on air occupancy

    This looks fairly possible when the gateway is in direct radio range, the bandwidth for this is about 134kbps in raw bandwidth and a data bandwidth of about 85kbps

    I have not adjusted the above results for packet collisions so the effective bandwidth will be worse than the above.

    When you add hops to this mesh, I would expect this to deteriorate significantly.

    In any case I will have to run this in a simulator to verify the rough results.

    Hope this helps.

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