How to avoid data collision in a network of NRF devices where only 2 NRF want to communicate with each other and others dont get this data ?

[Harshal Kadlak]

Hello,

We are using NRF24L01 as a transreceiver. We have a network of NRF devices operating individually and we want one NRF to communicate only with its respective NRF. However the data collision happens during this. The NRFs in the network also receives this data despite keeping the different frequency.

We cant have multiple frequencies for our every product.

So, is there any way to avoid data collision / interference so that only 2 desired NRF will communicate with each other and other NRF devices in the network wpn't get that data ??

Thanks and Regards ,

Harshal

 

[Hung Bui]

Hi Harshal, 

Do you use any protocol with the nRF24L01 ? For example Enhanced Shock Burst ? 
How do you configure the address ? 
Could you show how exactly you configure different channels for each pair of devices ? When the channels are close to each other they can leak but I don't think they would if the channel band a far away from each other. 

[Harshal Kadlak]

Yes, we are using Enhanced Shock Burst.

Also, the channels are close to each other i.e. all the NRF devices in the network are operating very close to each other.

We configure different channels for each pair of devices from the microcontroller side via its firmware. 

[Hung Bui]

Hi Harshal, 
The maximum payload for ESB is 32 bytes. So I don't see a problem increase the payload length to 30 bytes. 
Of course there could be higher chance of interference when you transmit longer payload package. But that shouldn't be significant. 
How often do you see the packet getting lost ? Do you use dynamic payload length or not ? 

[Harshal Kadlak]

Hello Mr. Hung,

Hung Bui said:

How often do you see the packet getting lost ?

It was happening with one or two out of every 15-16; but managed and fixed it.

Hung Bui said:

Do you use dynamic payload length or not ? 

No we don't use dynamic payload length.

[Harshal Kadlak]

Hello Mr. Hung,

Why do the messages get lost from the PTX side?

What could be the possible reason ?

We managed this at the receiver side but still we face the issue of losing the messages when transmitted.

[Hung Bui]

Hy Harshal, 
Could you explain what you meant by " messages get lost from the PTX side" ? 
How do you find that ? Please give more detail, for both PTX and PRX. 

[Harshal Kadlak]

Hello Mr. Hung,

After the transmission of one packet we check the status register to know whats the status of the packet transmitted and the status register shows MAX Retransmit count exceeded for the transmitted message.

This is how we come to know that the messages get lost from the PTX side !!

[Hung Bui]

Hi Harshal, 

Okey, that mean the packet has been transmitted from the PTX but not ACKed from the PRX. 
So it's either the PRX didn't receive the packet or the ACK packet from the PRX not reach the PTX. 

So have you checked if the packages are received on the PRX's side ? You can just make a test and store all the packages you receive on PRX and check if any missing manually on the PRX. (you need to increase a counter in the data payload for each packet)

How often do you see the MAX_RT hit ? 

[Harshal Kadlak]

Hung Bui said:

So have you checked if the packages are received on the PRX's side ?

Yes, At the PRX side, it shows RX FIFO Empty. and RX_DR is 0.

Hung Bui said:

How often do you see the MAX_RT hit ? 

After power on and successful initialization of NRF the CHECK COMMUNICATION command is sent from the PTX to the PRX and in that we found that the MAX_RT exceeds every time.

[Hung Bui]

Hi again, 

Earlier you mentioned that: "It was happening with one or two out of every 15-16; but managed and fixed it." 

But now you say "we found that the MAX_RT exceeds every time." so what have changed ? 

Are you saying that you don't receive anything at PRX at all ? 

If you transfer 20 bytes or lower do you receive anything ? 

If you increase the payload size , at which exact point you don't receive any packet ? 

[Harshal Kadlak]

Hello Mr. Hung,

The above issue had been fixed as we had error in the code. Now we have been having a smooth communication between the PTX and PRX without any messages getting lost.

However, is there a way to reset the NRF module by the microcontroller (any command or configuring any register since we dont have any reset pin directly between them). Because the PTX sometimes seems to stop sending the data so can it be reseted by the MCU so that it can start sending again.

[ovrebekk]

Hi Harshal

I agreed to help Hung out with this case, since I have more experience with the nRF24L01+. 

Unfortunately this device doesn't have a reset feature available, neither as a hardware pin or as an SPI instruction. 

The only way to properly reset it would be to power it off completely by disconnecting the supply for a short period. 

Best regards
Torbjørn