nRF9151 no GPS fix

[Urmaz]

Hi,

My custom boards with nRF9151 don't get gps fix. I'm using the same GPS antenna and LNA as DK. Soft is from DevAcademi example, but tried also GGSN sample and some other samples, but never got fix. Same soft with nRF9160 board works ok (devicetree overlay is different). UART, SPI, I2C, sensors, flash, pMIC, all ok.

When GPS cycle starts, then always during 2minutes and 10sec nRF9151 finds only 0...3 satellites, all with cn0: 0. On 2:10 satellite count jumps to 12, all with good cn0. It lasts 6...7sek, then drops again to 0...3 sat, but this time cn0 is different from 0 (seems real). It repeats with every GPS cycle, never gets fix and always 2:10 from start and lasts 6...8sek. Current monitored with PPK2 seems normal. 

LNA is connected to COEX0, but tested it also with always power on - same result.

Tried modem FW 2.0.0, 2.0.2, SDK 2.7, 2.8, 2.9 - no diffrence.

Tried different LTE PS modes and values - same GPS pattern. 

Tried to set GPS priority over LTE - same.

Tried with two boards (same batch) - same pattern.

NRF9151-LACA-R7 bought from Mouser, details installed to PCB in factory.

Br 

Urmas

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[00:02:13.645,202] <inf> gw2_2: Searching...

[00:02:13.649,810] <inf> gw2_2: Number of current satellites: 0

[00:02:14.569,488] <inf> gw2_2: Searching...

[00:02:14.574,066] <inf> gw2_2: Number of current satellites: 0

[00:02:15.573,944] <inf> gw2_2: Searching...

[00:02:15.578,521] <inf> gw2_2: Number of current satellites: 0

[00:02:16.574,371] <inf> gw2_2: Searching...

[00:02:16.578,979] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 4, cn0: 207, signal: 1

[00:02:16.584,838] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 11, cn0: 210, signal: 1

[00:02:16.590,759] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 16, cn0: 217, signal: 1

[00:02:16.596,710] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 3, cn0: 288, signal: 1

[00:02:16.602,569] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 31, cn0: 213, signal: 1

[00:02:16.608,489] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 1, cn0: 213, signal: 1

[00:02:16.614,349] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 24, cn0: 207, signal: 1

[00:02:16.620,269] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 30, cn0: 211, signal: 1

[00:02:16.626,220] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 23, cn0: 207, signal: 1

[00:02:16.632,171] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 7, cn0: 215, signal: 1

[00:02:16.638,000] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 199, cn0: 214, signal: 3

[00:02:16.644,042] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 25, cn0: 220, signal: 1

[00:02:16.649,963] <inf> gw2_2: Number of current satellites: 12

[00:02:17.574,401] <inf> gw2_2: Searching...

[00:02:17.579,010] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 4, cn0: 239, signal: 1

[00:02:17.584,869] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 11, cn0: 242, signal: 1

[00:02:17.590,820] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 16, cn0: 241, signal: 1

[00:02:17.596,740] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 3, cn0: 252, signal: 1

[00:02:17.602,600] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 31, cn0: 239, signal: 1

[00:02:17.608,551] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 1, cn0: 243, signal: 1

[00:02:17.614,379] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 24, cn0: 244, signal: 1

[00:02:17.620,330] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 30, cn0: 243, signal: 1

[00:02:17.626,281] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 23, cn0: 241, signal: 1

[00:02:17.632,202] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 7, cn0: 242, signal: 1

[00:02:17.638,061] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 199, cn0: 242, signal: 3

[00:02:17.644,104] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 25, cn0: 244, signal: 1

[00:02:17.650,024] <inf> gw2_2: Number of current satellites: 12

[00:02:18.573,486] <inf> gw2_2: Searching...

...

[00:02:22.574,523] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 4, cn0: 246, signal: 1

[00:02:22.580,383] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 6, cn0: 255, signal: 1

[00:02:22.586,242] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 16, cn0: 243, signal: 1

[00:02:22.592,163] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 31, cn0: 244, signal: 1

[00:02:22.598,114] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 1, cn0: 246, signal: 1

[00:02:22.603,973] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 24, cn0: 246, signal: 1

[00:02:22.609,893] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 30, cn0: 245, signal: 1

[00:02:22.615,844] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 23, cn0: 247, signal: 1

[00:02:22.621,765] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 7, cn0: 249, signal: 1

[00:02:22.627,624] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 199, cn0: 243, signal: 3

[00:02:22.633,636] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 25, cn0: 242, signal: 1

[00:02:22.639,587] <inf> gw2_2: Number of current satellites: 11

[00:02:23.568,969] <inf> gw2_2: Searching...

[00:02:23.573,577] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 6, cn0: 249, signal: 1

[00:02:23.579,437] <inf> gw2_2: Number of current satellites: 1

[00:02:24.568,847] <inf> gw2_2: Searching...

[00:02:24.573,455] <inf> gw2_2: sv: 6, cn0: 249, signal: 1

[00:02:24.579,315] <inf> gw2_2: Number of current satellites: 1

[00:02:25.568,420] <inf> gw2_2: Searching...

[00:02:25.573,028] <inf> gw2_2: Number of current satellites: 0

[JONATHAN LL]

Hi,

Have you had the custom board reviewed by us? 

What antenna are you using? 

Regards,
Jonathan

[Urmaz]

Not reviewed.
Antenna is DSGP.1575.18.4.A.02.

U.

[JONATHAN LL]

Where in the world are you testing?

[Urmaz]

Estonia. 

Telia network

[JONATHAN LL]

Antenna selection is ok, and I am not aware of any issues in the location so not sure what is the issue, but I will continue digging to see if there is anything. 


You say that things work on the 9160, is that also a custom board? I assume that this is the case so I also assume that the 9151 HW is ok. 


It does sound strange that you experience the same pattern of  seeing 12 satellites after a given time, have you tested in more then one location? 

and do you have the option to test on a 9151DK ?

Regards,
Jonathan

[Urmaz]

Yes, the 9160 was also custom board, same peripherials, same functions. Made 5 boards, all working ok. Now made upgrade to 9151, but stuck with GPS problem. 
No, I didn't test in different location, can try tomorrow. I can't imagine, how it explains this pattern. When I move board inside a house, it finds less (...9) sat instead of 12, but this 2:10 and 6...7sek active pattern don't change.
I don't have 9151DK. 
Didn't mention it, but my board is powered by nPM1300, and I tried different Vdd voltages on GPIOs and LNA. All same. 

[JONATHAN LL]

Urmaz said:

Didn't mention it, but my board is powered by nPM1300, and I tried different Vdd voltages on GPIOs and LNA. All same. 

Can you share the schematic of the nPM1300 and nRF9151 for your design? 

Urmaz said:

No, I didn't test in different location, can try tomorrow. I can't imagine, how it explains this pattern. When I move board inside a house, it finds less (...9) sat instead of 12, but this 2:10 and 6...7sek active pattern don't change.

The GPS signal could be better. Could the you provide a log with the GNSS sample without A-GNSS, which shows the whole test run from boot? And make sure the LNA is enabled.


Regards,
Jonathan

[Urmaz]

I tried in different location, open space. Same result. Logs are taken in two places 20km apart, and taken in placestermlog1.log, where nrf9160 got fix easyly

In case with ID: 252841 seems similar problem with nrf9160 and there is mentioned: ". I have seen similar issues reported in devzone, but with no public definitive answer provided. Does Nordic have a solution for this problem or any explanation as to why it is occurring? "

7167.Schematic.pdftermlog.log

[JONATHAN LL]

Comments to the schematic:
From the parts that you have shared it looks like a few of our recommended components are missing for the nRF9151. 

For the VDD you should have the extra components for filtering of the power rail. It is needed for the device to preform as expected an laving them out will impact RF and GNSS performance. 

For the nPM1300 we also recommend to have a few extra components on the VOUT1 for filtering power noise. 

See the nRF9151DK or the Thingy91X as reference: https://nsscprodmedia.blob.core.windows.net/prod/software-and-other-downloads/dev-kits/thingy91-x/hardware-files/pca20065-thingy91-x-1_0_0.zip 


In both logs there's a jump in the number of acquired/tracked satellites after 2 minutes, which you also described above. This is caused by GNSS switching the acquisition mode. Those ~12 satellites which are shown for less than 10 seconds are not real satellites, but just noise.


Regards,
Jonathan

[Urmaz]

Sorry, as you asked for part of schematic, I missed part of it.