SD Card compatibility problem "SD card initial Error with SPI mode"

[tommy]

Dear Sirs,

I am writing you to inquire about following questions about nRF5340.

We are using Laird BL5340 and SDK2.3.0 for our product.
While attempting to write data to SD card, we found in some SD card nRF5340 provide error in initial sequence.

We confirmed four error cases depending on the type of card. 
We obtained the waveform and the error log when the error occurred.

Please find the attached ppt.

Could you think of anything that might have caused it?

Besides, are there any way to fix this problem?
SDcard initial err.pptx

[Edvin]

Hello,

From what I can tell, in all of your screenshots, it seems like it is the MISO signal that is misbehaving, is that correct? 

We confirmed four error cases depending on the type of card. 

So do you have any working SD Cards? And in the cases where it fails, does all cards of that type fail? Or only some? Only one? 

Best regards,

Edvin

[tommy]

Thank you for your reply.

>So do you have any working SD Cards? 
Yes.
I have put the working SD card list just in case.
We have checked about 366 SD cards and 16 of 366 could not work correclty.

Here is the list of cards that can't work.
As we described we can sort them out into 4 error patterns.
All cards are tested under SPI access mode.

A: MISO is PullDown, even before initialization.
B: “Illegal Response“ returns as a response of CMD59, not for CMD8.
C:  “Illegal Response” returns as a response of CMD8 two times.
     CMD10 and CMD9 sent even when ACMDA41 =01(Initialize undone).
D:  CMD0~CMD9 has been succeeded, but it can’t read data as a response of CMD17.

It seems to be that there are some problems with SPI initialization flow in SDK.

Would it be possible to help to find out problem of the issue?
#In my previous e-mail, we have attached the log provided by SDK just in case.

Fullscreen card_list.txt Download

TOSHIBA	MUH-E032G
Panasonic	RP-SMHA08GJK
ステップファクトリー	STFW101-MG
HIDISC	HDMCSDH8GCL10UIJP-WOA
SONY	SR-16UY3A T
ELECOM	MF-MS032GU11IKA
Western Digital	WDD032G1P0A
Kingston	SDCR/32GB
Kingston	SDCG2/32GB
Kingston	SDCS/16GB
Transcend	TS8GUSD500S
Transcend	TS16GUSD300S
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TOSHIBA	MU-F008GX
Princeton	PMSDA-32G
Princeton	RPMSDU-16G
Princeton	RPMSD-2G
Princeton	RPMSD-1G
SanDisk	SDSQUAC-016G-JN3MA
Samsung	MB-ME32GA/AM 
Verbatim	Verbatim #44033(ASIN:B00ZSG1PLE)
Verbatim	Verbatim #47040(ASIN:B00ZSG1I5W)
TOSHIBA	THN-M203K0320EA
TOSHIBA	THN-M203K0160EA
GOODRAM	IRP-M9BA-0320R11
GOODRAM	IR-M6BA-0320R11
HORI	NSW-042
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サイバーガジェット	EU-MSD16-MIN
ELECOM	MF-MS016GU13V3R
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HIDISC	HDMCSDH4GCL10UIJP3
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CENTON	S1-MSDHU1-32G
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MONSTER DIGITAL	SDUSA-0016-B
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Gigastone	GS-2IN1C1016G-R 
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PNY	P-SDU32U390EX-GE
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SONY	SR-16UX2A T
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Panasonic	RP-SMGB16GJK
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SanDisk	SDSQUSC-016G-JO3CD
ELECOM	MF-TCMSD08G
Lexar	LSDMI32GCRBJP1800R
Lexar	LSDMI32GCBJPR1000R
Lexar	LSDMI16GBJPR633R
Lexar	LSDMI16GBAJPRC10A
HIDISC	MXJMCSD2GB
Samsung	MB-MD32DA/IT
Samsung	MB-MC32DA/IT
TOSHIBA	MU-F032GX
ELECOM	MF-YMR008GU11R
Lexar	LSDMI16GBJPR300A
Lexar	LSDMI32GABJPRC10A
Lexar	LSDMI8GABJPRC10A
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Transcend	TS32GUSDHC10U1
Transcend	TS8GUSDHC10U1
Transcend	TS32GUSDU1
Transcend	TS16GUSDU1
Transcend	TS32GUSDHC10
Transcend	TS4GUSDHC10
Transcend	TS32GUSDHC4
Transcend	TS4GUSDHC4
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GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMRHC4DA-4G
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HIDISC	HDMCSDH16GCL10UIJP2
HIDISC	HDMCSDH4GCL10UIJP2
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TOSHIBA	MSV-RW16GA
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ELECOM	MF-ACMR16GU11
ELECOM	MF-CMS016GU13R
SONY	SN-BB32 T1
SONY	SN-BB16 T1
TOSHIBA	MU-C008GX
I-O DATA	SDMCH-W16G/A
SanDisk	SDSDQUPN-008G-J35A
ELECOM	MF-MS008GU11LRA
ELECOM	MF-MSD008GC10R
Lexar	LSDMI32GBBJP634R
TOSHIBA	MUH-B016G
ELECOM	MF-MSD032GC4R
ELECOM	MF-MSD008GC4R
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMRHCUA16G
ELECOM	MF-CAMR016GU11
SanDisk	SDSDQXP-016G-J35A
SanDisk	SDSDQX-016G-J35PA
SanDisk	SDSDQXL-016G-J35A
SanDisk	SDSDQ-032G-J35U
SanDisk	SDSDQ-004G-J35U
Team Group	TG032G0MC28A
Team Group	TUSDH16GUHS03
PQI	BMRSD-2G
Kingston	KF-C2016-3AJP
Kingston	KF-C208G-3AJP
Samsung	MB-MP16DA/JP
Samsung	MB-MP08DA/JP
Samsung	MB-MG32DA/JP
Samsung	MB-MG16DA/JP
TDK	T-MCSDHC8GB10UV
SONY	-
SONY	SR-16UXA
I-O DATA	BMS-32G10RW
I-O DATA	BMS-8G10RW
FUJIFILM	MCSDHC-032G-C10
FUJIFILM	MCSDHC-004G-C10
KINGMAX	KM-MCSDHC10X32GMG
KINGMAX	KM-MCSDHC10X16GMG
KINGMAX	KM-MCSDHC10X8GMG
KINGMAX	KM-MCSDHC10X4GMG
PQI	MS10U11-32Y
PQI	MS10U11-16Y
PQI	BMRSDH10-32GY
PQI	BMRSDH10-8GY
PQI	MST10U11-16Y
Transcend	TS32GUSDHC10U1
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FUJIFILM	MCSDHC-004G-C10
Lexar	LSDMI16GBBJP633R
Lexar	LSDMI16GBBJP300A
Lexar	LSDMI16GABJPC10
Lexar	LSDMI8GBABJPC10
ELECOM	MF-MSD032GU11MR
ELECOM	MF-MSD016GU11MR
ELECOM	MF-MSD008GU11LR
SanDisk	SDSDQUP-032G-J35A
SanDisk	SDSDQUP-016G-J35A
SanDisk	SDSDQUP-008G-J35A
SanDisk	SDSDQUL-032G-J35A
SanDisk	SDSDQUL-016G-J35A
SanDisk	SDSDQUL-008G-J35A
TOSHIBA	MU-SV016G
Victor	V-MCSD32CL10
Victor	V-MCSD8CL10
Victor	V-MCSD32CL4
Victor	V-MCSD4CL4
SONY	SR-32SA
SONY	SR-16SA
SILICON POWER	SP032GBWSAS10HAK
SILICON POWER	SP016GBWSAS10HAK
SanDisk	SDSDQX-016G-J35A
SONY	SR-32A4
ADATA	AUSDH32GCL4-RA1-M
ADATA	AUSDH4GCL4-RA1-M
ADATA	AUSDH32GUICL10-RA1-M
ADATA	AUSDH16GUICL10-RA1-M
Panasonic	RP-SMGA32GJK
Panasonic	RP-SMGA04GJK
FREECOM	 SDHC32GB(Class 10)bulkJP
FREECOM	MicroSDHC16GB(Class10)withAdaptorbulkJP
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMI-WMA32G
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMI-WMA16G
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMI-WMA8G
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMI-WMA4G
SanDisk	SDSDQU-008G-J35A
Transcend	TS8GUSDHC10U1
Transcend	TS32GUSDU1
Transcend	TS8GUSDU1
SILICON POWER	SP032GBSTHDU1V10-SP
SILICON POWER	SP016GBSTHDU1V10-SP
ELECOM	MF-MRSDH32GC10R
ELECOM	MF-MRSDH08GC10R
ELECOM	MF-MRSDH32GC4R
Lexar	LSDMI16GBJ
BUFFALO	RMSD-16GC10SA
PQI	6W25-032GR1
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMRHC32GU
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMRHC8GU
SanDisk	SDSDQXP-016G-A11
SanDisk	SDSDQXP-008G-A11
Panasonic	RP-SMFB32GJK
Panasonic	RP-SMFB02GJK
ADATA	AUSDH16GUI-RA1
ADATA	AUSDH8GUI1-RA1
ADATA	AUSDH32GUI1-RA1
Samsung	MB-MS2GAEU
Samsung	MB-MPAGAEU
Samsung	MB-MP8GAEU
Samsung	MB-MSBGAEU
Samsung	MB-MS4GAEU
Delkin Devices	S204MFBSS-CX000-B
Delkin Devices	S204MFBSS-CX000-B
Panasonic	RP-SM02GAW1K
Panasonic	RP-SM08GFJ1K
SanDisk	SDSDQY-032G-U46A
SanDisk	SDSDQY-004G-U46A
PATRIOT MEMORY	PSF16GMCSDHC10
SUPER☆TALENT	ST32MSC0A
SUPER☆TALENT	ST04MSC0A
UMAX	UM-MCSDHC-C10-32G
SanDisk	SDSDQY-004G
Apacer	AP-TK02GB-02
Apacer	AP-TK02GB-00
TOSHIBA	THNSU16
TOSHIBA	THNSU04
Panasonic	RP-SM04GEJ1K
I-O DATA	SDMCH-W4G/A
TDK	T-MCSDHC32GB4
I-O DATA	SDMCH-W32G/A
Panasonic	RP-SM16GEJ1K
Panasonic	RP-SM32GFJ1K
SONY	SR-4A4
SONY	SR-2A1
TDK	T-MCSDHC4GB4
SILICON POWER	SP032GBSTH004V10-SP
I-O DATA	SDMCH-W32G/A
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMRHC32G4
Delkin Devices	DDMICROSDFLS2-16GB
SILICON POWER	SP016GBSTH010V10-SP
SILICON POWER	SP016GBSTH004V30
WINTEC filemate	3FMUSD32GBC10-R
SoftBank	SBS-MI16GA
pci(planex)	PL-MicroSD2G
Transcend	TS2GUSD-2
上海問屋(EVERGREEN)	DNF-TSD16384C6
上海問屋(EVERGREEN)	Select 16GB Class4 Ada
上海問屋(EVERGREEN)	DNF-TSD2048
SanDisk	SDSDQ-032G-J35A
ADATA	AUSDH32GCL2-RA1
ADATA	AUSDH16GCL10-RA1
Kingston	SDC10/16GB
pci(planex)	PLMicroSDHC16
pci(planex)	PL-MicroSDHC8
SoftBank	SB-SD05-32GMC
PQI	BMRSDH2-16G
SILICON POWER	SP002GBSDT000V30
TOSHIBA	SD-MF032G
WINTEC filemate	3FMUSD2GB-R
ADATA	AUSDH32GCL2-RA1
BUFFALO	RMSD-BS16GSA
TOSHIBA	SD-MF002G
TOSHIBA	SD-MF016G
SanDisk	SDSDQ-016G-J35A
SanDisk	SDSDQ-002G-J35A
HAGIWARA SYS-COM	HNT-MRH16GTAC4
SanDisk	SDSDQ-032G-A11M
PQI	6ARE-016GSR04A
BUFFALO	RMSD-BS16GC2SA
BUFFALO	RMSD-BS2GC2SA
Dane-Elec	DA-2IN1-08G-R
Verbatim	Verbatim96168
ALL-WAYS	MICROHC8-AW
ALL-WAYS	S-MICRO1-AW
KINGMAX	KM-MCSD1GX
SONY	SR-8A4
SONY	SR-2A1
PNY	P-SDU8GB4-EF/BB
PNY	P-SDU2GB-EF/BB
Nokia	MU-44
PhotoFast	PF-150EXMICRO2G
Team Group	TG016G0MCSD26A
imation	MCS 2G
pci(planex)	PLMicriSDHC16
CFD	CUSD-16GC6
CFD	CUSD-4GC6
Panasonic	RP-SM16GCJ1K
SanDisk	SDSDQ-4096-J95M
SanDisk	SDSDQ-2048-J95MK
Panasonic	RP-SM04GCJ1K
TOSHIBA	SD-MD004GA
TOSHIBA	SD-MD002GA
BUFFALO	RMSD-BS16G
ADTEC	AD-MRHPM8G/6
ADTEC	AD-MRPM2G
ELECOM	MF-MRSDH16GC6
ELECOM	MF-NMRSDH08GC4
ELECOM	MF-NMHSD02GBK
ELECOM	MF-NMRSDH08GC6
ADATA	AMC2016GCL6BK+Adapter
BUFFALO	RMSD-BS02GSA
Kingston	SDC2/16GB
I-O DATA	SDMCH-F16G/A
SILICON POWER	SP016GBSTH006V10-SP
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMRHC16G2
ADATA	AMC2008GCL6BK-MR
SanDisk	SDSDQ-016GS-J95M
TOSHIBA	SD-ME016GA
Princeton	PMSDHC/4-8GB
SanDisk	SDSDQY-2048-J95M
SanDisk	SDSDQY-8192-J95M
ELECOM	MF-MRSDH04GC6
ELECOM	MF-MRSDH08GC4
HAGIWARA SYS-COM	HNT-MRH8GTA
inx	INX-MCHC08GC4
pci(planex)	PL-MicroSDHC4
SanDisk	SDSDQ-1024-J95MK
ADATA	TURBHO microSDHC 4GB+microReader
SanDisk	SDSDQ-8182-J95M
GREEN HOUSE	GH-SDMRHC8G
I-O DATA	SDMCH-F8G/A
ADATA	TURBO microSDHC 4GB
Lexar	SDHCMI4GB-830
TransMicro	FCMCSD-1G-R10
inx	INX-MCHCO4GC6
ADTEC	AD-MRHM4G/6
ELECOM	MF-MRSDH04G
ATP	AF4GUD
上海問屋(EVERGREEN)	DNF-TSD4096
BUFFALO	RMSD-BS4GA
I-O DATA	SDMCH-F4G/A
maxell	M-MCSD2G
SanDisk	SDSDQ-4096-J60M
HP	HFUD032-1U1-CS GJP
HP	HFUD016-1U1-CS GJP
SILICON POWER	SP032GBSTHBU1V1GJA
ADATA	AUSDH16GUICL10A1-RA1
DELKIN DEVICES	DDMSDR50016G
DELKIN DEVICES	DDMSDW66032G
DELKIN DEVICES	DDMSDG200032
ダダンドール	DDMS032G01
GAUDI	CRGMSDHCU1A16G
ELECOM	MF-NMRSD02G

[tommy]

Hi,

There is no reply yet, but should I contact the following Github acount about this issue?
So, this is the problem that can be resolved quickly, right?

zephyrproject-rtos/zephyr: Primary Git Repository for the Zephyr Project. Zephyr is a new generation, scalable, optimized, secure RTOS for multiple hardware architectures.

[Edvin]

Hello,

What I don't understand is that the issue is always related to the reply from the SD card reader, meaning that either the issue is from the SD Card reader itself, or it is an issue in the SD card (SD card worn out?).

Or do you mean that there is an issue in the SD card libraries?

Best regards,

Edvin

[tommy]

What I am asking you is about the behavior of nrf5340, and we would like you to consider revising SDK.

We think this is the issue for both nRF5340 SDK and SD card itself.

We are currently talking with each SD card maker with this report and let Nordic know the feed back afterward.

Is it possible to talk with SDK development team directly?

# we will also post this issue on Git just in case.

[Edvin]

tommy said:

we will also post this issue on Git just in case.

Yes. It would be interesting to see Zephyr's take on this. From our perspective, we don't (directly) provide SD card readers nor SD cards, but SPI. And in general, we can only directly change what is present under the "nrf" part of NCS, not whatever is coming from the zephyr part of the SDK. I see that you are pointing at some specific values in the MISO of the SPI communication. I don't know the details on the driver on that level (and it is not written by us, so I wouldn't know who to direct you to). 

1: Do you know why they respond incorrectly?

2: Do you have any suggestion on what the drivers should do in these cases?

Best regards,

Edvin